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Old 07-12-2009, 07:04 PM   #471
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he has 4 starts. he has approached 100 pitches in every start except today's game. Against Philly he threw 48 pitches in 1.1 innings. That is too much. It shows he has no command over his pitches, and is not confusing his batters. His pitching has gotten progressively worse in every start.
You do have to consider that he hasn't even been here all year. I can cut him some slack. If it keeps up then I'll start questioning it. As far as I am concerned the jury is still out on Vazquez.
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Old 07-12-2009, 07:34 PM   #472
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Here comes Lincoln in the Futures game.
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Old 07-15-2009, 07:50 PM   #473
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Yates has Tommy John, here goes the Bucs set up pitcher. Interesting what is going to happen because of this news.
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Old 07-15-2009, 08:06 PM   #474
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Yates has Tommy John, here goes the Bucs set up pitcher. Interesting what is going to happen because of this news.
Eh, who cares. Yates sucks anyway. I wish him well in his recovery and all...but he sucks. Joel Hanrahan will take over his job.
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Old 07-16-2009, 08:03 AM   #475
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wasnt it fun watching Freddy and Zach play in the All-Star game? Oh wait, never mind that was a load of bull crap
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Old 07-17-2009, 10:40 AM   #476
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File this one under "I'll believe it when I see it" and "If it happens, they'll just trade them next week anyway":

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The Pirates reportedly have approached both members of their double-play combination, shortstop Jack Wilson and second baseman Freddy Sanchez, about multiyear contract extensions in hopes of avoiding trading either one.

The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported late Thursday night that the club has gone to both of their star middle infielders about long-term deals to keep them in Pittsburgh, knowing that to sign one, they'd likely have to sign both because the two are best friends.

"I'm very excited to possibly continue my career in Pittsburgh, to finish what I've started, and Freddy is going to be a vital piece of any decision I make," Wilson told the Post-Gazette after a post-break workout at PNC Park. "Without Freddy, I think, it would be tough to win without a player like that."

Said Sanchez: "I want to finish my career turning double plays with Jack in a Pirates uniform. If it works out, it would be unbelievable. This is what we've been talking about for a long time."

Wilson, 31, is in the final guaranteed year of a contract that pays him a team-high $7.4 million, with a club option for 2010 worth $8.4 million and a $500,000 buyout. Sanchez, also 31, is making $6.25 million and has a vesting option for $8 million for 2010 if he reaches 600 plate appearance.

The Post-Gazette story said Pirates GM Neal Huntington wouldn't comment directly on the contract status of either player, but made it clear that the club has to look at all options concerning their top two position players.

"Obviously, the easiest thing would be to keep them here," Huntington said. "If we can't do that and we get the right trade, it's something we have to do."
Obviously they want to extend them and try to get them to take less money, which is a good idea. They are the best DP combo in the league...but the are also both over 30. Jack's defense has been sensational this season, but he's not worth $8.4 million. Freddy, as good a hitter he is, isn't worth the $8 million option for next year. If both guys love the city and fans so much, then they'll take the "hometown discount" to stay. I'd say 3-year, $13.2 million or 4-year, $18 million deals for both - I think that's fair. If the Pirates do this, and then DON'T trade them a week later or next year, then I'll give Huntington full kudos. Lying to the fans right now is NOT an option, because if they do, they will certainly lose even the most loyal and die-hard fans among us. I'm expecting the latter, and hoping for the former.
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I hate that I can't get Pittsburgh channels even though the next town over gets them. I would have loved to have watched todays games that went 14 innings. Lets see if Jones makes it through the trade deadline.
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I hate that I can't get Pittsburgh channels even though the next town over gets them. I would have loved to have watched todays games that went 14 innings. Lets see if Jones makes it through the trade deadline.
The Pirates own his rights for 6 years. He isn't going anywhere unless he completely falls apart...which I'm expecting to happen any day now.
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File this one under "I'll believe it when I see it" and "If it happens, they'll just trade them next week anyway":

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Obviously they want to extend them and try to get them to take less money, which is a good idea. They are the best DP combo in the league...but the are also both over 30. Jack's defense has been sensational this season, but he's not worth $8.4 million. Freddy, as good a hitter he is, isn't worth the $8 million option for next year. If both guys love the city and fans so much, then they'll take the "hometown discount" to stay. I'd say 3-year, $13.2 million or 4-year, $18 million deals for both - I think that's fair. If the Pirates do this, and then DON'T trade them a week later or next year, then I'll give Huntington full kudos. Lying to the fans right now is NOT an option, because if they do, they will certainly lose even the most loyal and die-hard fans among us. I'm expecting the latter, and hoping for the former.

new article today says both Freddy and Jack rejected the offers and did not send in a counter offer. Not looking good
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new article today says both Freddy and Jack rejected the offers and did not send in a counter offer. Not looking good
I actually read it yesterday - both were offered 2-year extensions, $10 million for Freddy and $8 million for Jack. If I were them, I'd have rejected those too because I'd want at least a guaranteed 3rd year with options for a 4th. If they took those offers, they basically would be playing for free in year 2. Sounds to me that they were insulted by the offers and decided not to send in counter-offers, so the Pirates will look to trade them, which I believe was their intention all along. They'll say they "tried to re-sign them," but I won't believe them, because they want to gut the entire major-league roster and play the kids to keep the payroll down to the bare minimum so that they can continue to line their pockets. I hope they enjoy seeing 6,000 fans per game next year and their season ticket rolls drop by at least 50%. I know I'm not renewing mine. No more money until they show signs of at least attempting to win.
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