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Old 04-30-2009, 12:51 PM   #201
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I wasn't arguing that the Iraq spending is justification for more spending. I simply wish people would stop pretending and drop the double standard.

As far as us not being attacked...who knows? It's not like we had a series of 9/11 type attacks before 9/11 it self. I hope you're right. But that doesn't change the fact that this is the greatest country in the world but yet we really screwed the pooch when it came to the Iraq planning. If for nothing else but our soldier's lives we should have done better. They deserved better.
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Obama clearly hates Shelter Dogs. Thats been proven.
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"I am concerned, as I’m sure many of you are, that these jobs not simply go to high-skilled people who are already professionals or to white male construction workers. … I have nothing against white male construction workers. I’m just saying that there are a lot of other people who have needs as well. … Criteria can be set so that the money does go to others, the long term unemployed minorities, women, people who are not necessarily construction workers or high-skilled professionals."
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As far as us not being attacked...who knows? It's not like we had a series of 9/11 type attacks before 9/11 it self. I hope you're right. But that doesn't change the fact that this is the greatest country in the world but yet we really screwed the pooch when it came to the Iraq planning.
Sure, we screwed the pooch when it came to planning and executing World War II too. The horrific mistakes and corresponding loss of life in WWII was MUCH higher in fact. Not to diminish the loss of lives in Iraq but simply to put it in perspective, my friend. Again, a VERY weak argument.

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You could argue that about WWII or any other war. VERY weak argument.
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Old 04-30-2009, 01:55 PM   #205
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A weak argument is your opinion. As far as WWII...what? You're saying it was perfectly OK to NOT learn from those mistakes?
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A weak argument is your opinion. As far as WWII...what? You're saying it was perfectly OK to NOT learn from those mistakes?
You tell me a major war that was run perfectly with no mistakes. If you put the loss of American lives in perspective, it is VERY small and makes you appear like someone with an agenda.

I don't mean to diminish the loss of our troops in any way, simply put it in perspective here.
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You tell me a major war that was run perfectly with no mistakes. If you put the loss of American lives in perspective, it is VERY small and makes you appear like someone with an agenda.
Now that is a weak argument.

Of course nothing is done without making mistakes. Especially war. That doesn't, however, change the fact that our sole premise for engaging Iraq was based on misinformation. The biggest mistake of all. So I have to have an agenda because I question our government's reasoning/methods? Conservative, liberal, Republican, Democrat--they all lied. And it's we that have to pay the price. Both figuratively and literally.

It's not about NOT making mistakes. It's about getting your head out of your ass and actually learning from the ones you and others have made.
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Now that is a weak argument.

Of course nothing is done without making mistakes. Especially war. That doesn't, however, change the fact that our sole premise for engaging Iraq was based on misinformation. The biggest mistake of all. So I have to have an agenda because I question our government's reasoning/methods? Conservative, liberal, Republican, Democrat--they all lied. And it's we that have to pay the price. Both figuratively and literally.

It's not about NOT making mistakes. It's about getting your head out of your ass and actually learning from the ones you and others have made.
So what is there to learn from this Hawk? Assume all intelligence is misinformation and sit around with your head up your ass and do nothing?

Again, your logic is dizzying.
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So what is there to learn from this Hawk? Assume all intelligence is misinformation and sit around with your head up your ass and do nothing?

Again, your logic is dizzying.
How about we demand better from our elected officials? Maybe we should actually demand the results they promised while campaigning? I voted for Bush both times and am still waiting for several of his campaign promises. You're objecting because it's "your side" (i.e. Bush) that invaded Iraq. If it had been Clinton or even Obama you'd be lining up to agree with me.

I'm a Centrist/Independent that, like I said, voted for Bush both times. So stop with the bipartisan BS and look at it from a human perspective and not how you're told to by your political party.

If demanding more means my argument is weak...then so be it.
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I'm a Centrist/Independent that, like I said, voted for Bush both times. So stop with the bipartisan BS and look at it from a human perspective and not how you're told to by your political party.

If demanding more means my argument is weak...then so be it.
You just attacked me as a BS partisan and changed the subject as opposed to discussing the validity of my points. And why does matter if your a centrist? Does it make your points more valid?

Labeling, name calling and deflection.

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