The Official Kobe vs Lebron Thread

[xfl2001fan]

Per:
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/kobe_b...eer_stats.html
You are referencing the 05-06/06-07 seasons.

35.4 PPG, 4.5 APG, 5.3 RPG, 1.8 SPG, and 3.13 TO. (10th season in NBA, 8th as a full-time starter)
31.6 PPG, 5.4 APG, 5.7 RPG, 1.4 SPG, and 3.31 TO. (11th season in the NBA, 9th as a full time starter)

http://www.lakersuniverse.com/playoffs/roster2006.htm
05-06 Roster had
Smush Parker, Lamar Odom, Kwame Brown, Sasha Vujacic, Aaron McKie, Luke Walton, Chris Mihm and Andrew Bynum (Rookie)

06-07 Roster added Vladimir Radmanovic and lost no one of note. Drafted Jordan Farmar

By contrast, Lebron had:

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/lebron...eer_stats.html

31.4 PPG, 6.6 APG, 7.0 RPG, 1.6 SPG and 3.29 TO (3rd season in NBA)
27.3 PPG, 6.0 APG, 6.7 RPG, 1.6 SPG and 3.21 TO (4th season in NBA, lost in Championship to San Antonio)

05-06 Starters: Z, Drew Gooden, Larry Hughes (new FA), Eric Snow and James,
Donyell Marshall (new FA), Damon Jones (new FA), Sasha Pavlovic, Ira Newble, Anderson Varejao and Flip Murray saw significant time. Mike Browns first year as a coach, new offense, defense, etc...

06-07 Starters:
Z, Gooden, Pavlovic and Huges are starters with LBJ.
Marshall, Varejao, Jones, Gibson (rookie) and Snow still see significant minutes.

Yeah, hardly a stellar cast. Despite the lack of a cast, LBJ took the Cavs further in the playoffs than Kobe took the Lakers (who were put out both times in the first round by the Suns).

[Steel Head]

Lebron is better

[MACH1]

05-06 Roster had
Smush Parker, Lamar Odom, Kwame Brown, Sasha Vujacic, Aaron McKie, Luke Walton, Chris Mihm and Andrew Bynum (Rookie)

06-07 Roster added Vladimir Radmanovic and lost no one of note. Drafted Jordan Farmar

You call that a stellar cast. please

Eric Snow, Larry Hughes and Donyell Marshall were(are) damn good players. So don't say he didn't have any help.

[tony hipchest]

Originally Posted by MACH1

You call that a stellar cast. please

.

kwame brown = #1 draft pick.

wasnt l. odom #3 for the clippers? they may have never lived up to their draft status but certainly arent scrubs.
id definitely take odom over anyone the cavs had. probably brown too.

anyways kobe and bebron just need to have a ppv dunk off and settle it once and for all.

[xfl2001fan]

Originally Posted by MACH1

You call that a stellar cast. please

Eric Snow, Larry Hughes and Donyell Marshall were(are) damn good players. So don't say he didn't have any help.

Donyell Marshall is a shooting forward...and he was streaky (at best.) Eric Snow was pretty good defensively...but provided little on offense.

Larry Hughes. HAHAHAHAHA

Yeah, that guys a serious talent.

Let's see, since he left Cleveland, he did nothing for the Bulls...and wasn't he doing nothing for the Knicks earlier this season?

I'm not saying Kobe had a stellar cast...I was trying to use sarcasm when describing the Cavs cast. Unfortunately, sarcasm doesn't translate over the internet very well.

The fact that Lebron (in his 3rd and 4th season) is (statistically) on par with with a 10 year veteran All-Star...and no supporting cast should tell you volumes. Lebron is only going to improve...and Kobe...he'll start to fade soon enough. His name will likely earn him a few more Defensive All-Star (and regular All-Star) teams...but that's about it.

Lebron is on the same plane as MJ...different style of player, but he's that kind of a Global Icon and absolute stud in an NBA chock full of guys who are uber talented. Let Lebron find his Pippen and see how many rings he wins.

[MACH1]

Lebron is on the same plane as MJ

Now that's funny

Maybe after he wins 6-7 titles.

[MACH1]

Originally Posted by tony hipchest

kwame brown = #1 draft pick.

wasnt l. odom #3 for the clippers? they may have never lived up to their draft status but certainly arent scrubs.
id definitely take odom over anyone the cavs had. probably brown too.

anyways kobe and bebron just need to have a ppv dunk off and settle it once and for all.

Might find out in the finals.

[xfl2001fan]

Originally Posted by MACH1

Now that's funny

Maybe after he wins 6-7 titles.

As a player, he's on that same talent level (and not just basketball talent, but global marketing icon talent.)

As a team, the Cavs don't have a Pippen. How many titles did he win before Pippen? Pippen was a perennial all-star in his own right...though not a guy to carry a team through a championship on his own.

All those rings...and people are so quick to overlook the talent on the Bulls team. It wasn't JUST Jordan there. Shaq needed his Pippen to win as well (whether it was Kobe or D-Wade).

Give Lebron the "Bulls" level of supporting cast, he'll absolutely dominate. Let 2010 come around and have someone like Chris Bosh, or D-Wade come to town instead of Lebron Leaving...and watch the Cavs own the NBA for as long as that pair is together.

[Steel Head]

Originally Posted by MACH1

Now that's funny

Maybe after he wins 6-7 titles.

Lebron is 24 yrs old. MJ didn't win the title untill he was 28 yrs old

I wouldn't bet against Lebron winning 6 titles

[SteelersinCA]

Just out of curiosity, is there a reason you picked those seasons instead of just their first 6 years in the league?

There is no stat for clutch and I would say Kobe is one of the all time greats when it comes to clutch. LeBron can be if he becomes a better shooter. Kobe also was just as big as Lebron is now as far as marketing before the rape scandal.

And Kobe still sells jerseys: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3866598