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Old 04-30-2009, 01:25 PM   #31
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DDR3 is the new GPU hotness so DDR2 is going to come down. Just splurge on the $500 and get a 295!!!
I would if I could. But renewing my Penguins' season tickets are eating a hole in my budget, and I ain't giving those up for a $500 video card! Besides, my everyday needs doesn't justify spending that much money on a video card.
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Old 04-30-2009, 02:01 PM   #32
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Also, of these processors, which one would you choose? This one or the tad bit slower (and less expensive) this one
ooh, it's too bad I didn't see this thread earlier; I just built my own machine a few months ago using the Q9550. I have to say, it's an AWESOME CPU and three years from now, you'll be glad you spent the extra money. The i7 is not worth it in my opinion unless you're planning on replacing the processor in a couple years. The i7's they have now are not any better than the best quad cores and they cost a lot more, although I'm sure by 2011 or so, they'll be a noticeable step up in performance.

I'd also definitely recommend getting a motherboard that supports DDR3 memory -- it's going to be worth it. DDR3 has dropped in price by almost half since I built my machine, and it's getting to the point where latency is not an issue. In a year or so, you'll be kicking yourself if you're using DDR2 because your machine will be at a dead-end for upgrading capacity, and DDR3 memory will basically be twice as good for about the same price.

For a graphics card, just make sure it supports DirectX 10 or better and will fit in your motherboard. oh, and make sure you get a big power supply (at least 600W) to run everything, and some good case fans to blow all that heat out.

If it helps at all, here's what I built -- total cost was about $1,000 by getting what I could on sale, and it should be able to easily handle any game or program that comes out in the next five years or so:

CPU: Intel Q9550
Motherboard: Intel DP45SG
RAM: 4GB Patriot DDR3 7-7-7 10666 (may expand to 8GB later)
Hard drive: Western Digital Velociraptor 1000rpm 300GB
Power supply: Zalman 850W
Graphics card: Radeon HD4870
CPU cooler: Thermaltake Silent 775 (but would recommend a Zalman CPU fan/heatsink if you can get it to fit)
Case fans: 3x Thermaltake 72.5CFM, 1x Rexus 42CFM

Plus a CD_RW drive and card reader, which are about a dime a dozen.
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Old 04-30-2009, 02:33 PM   #33
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ooh, it's too bad I didn't see this thread earlier; I just built my own machine a few months ago using the Q9550. I have to say, it's an AWESOME CPU and three years from now, you'll be glad you spent the extra money. The i7 is not worth it in my opinion unless you're planning on replacing the processor in a couple years. The i7's they have now are not any better than the best quad cores and they cost a lot more, although I'm sure by 2011 or so, they'll be a noticeable step up in performance.

I'd also definitely recommend getting a motherboard that supports DDR3 memory -- it's going to be worth it. DDR3 has dropped in price by almost half since I built my machine, and it's getting to the point where latency is not an issue. In a year or so, you'll be kicking yourself if you're using DDR2 because your machine will be at a dead-end for upgrading capacity, and DDR3 memory will basically be twice as good for about the same price.

For a graphics card, just make sure it supports DirectX 10 or better and will fit in your motherboard. oh, and make sure you get a big power supply (at least 600W) to run everything, and some good case fans to blow all that heat out.

If it helps at all, here's what I built -- total cost was about $1,000 by getting what I could on sale, and it should be able to easily handle any game or program that comes out in the next five years or so:

CPU: Intel Q9550
Motherboard: Intel DP45SG
RAM: 4GB Patriot DDR3 7-7-7 10666 (may expand to 8GB later)
Hard drive: Western Digital Velociraptor 1000rpm 300GB
Power supply: Zalman 850W
Graphics card: Radeon HD4870
CPU cooler: Thermaltake Silent 775 (but would recommend a Zalman CPU fan/heatsink if you can get it to fit)
Case fans: 3x Thermaltake 72.5CFM, 1x Rexus 42CFM

Plus a CD_RW drive and card reader, which are about a dime a dozen.
Now that is a sweet system! Man, what I would do if I had an extra thousand bucks lying around. My system is garbage compared to that, but hey, it does what I need.
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I would if I could. But renewing my Penguins' season tickets are eating a hole in my budget, and I ain't giving those up for a $500 video card! Besides, my everyday needs doesn't justify spending that much money on a video card.
Yeah I understand that, unless you are really into FPS or something like that with gaming, a DDR2 will push it just fine!

Here's a link to the my CPU, the pictures aren't updated, since then I've added another HDD and GPU.

http://www.evga.com/community/modsri...sp?sysid=14178
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Keep in the info coming...


Am I right for trying to shy away from high latency rates on DDR 3 ram? Or is it not as much of an issue if they are 1033 or 1300 speeds?
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Am I right for trying to shy away from high latency rates on DDR 3 ram? Or is it not as much of an issue if they are 1033 or 1300 speeds?
You're ALWAYS better off getting the lowest latency you can. Although you're correct that at higher clock speeds, latency makes slightly less of a difference.

Basically, the latency is measured in clock cycles, and the length of a cycle is inverse to the clock speed. So to get the total response time, you just divide the clock speed by the latency. In other words, a latency of 8 at a 1600 clock speed is exactly the same thing as a latency of 4 at an 800 clock speed, which is the same as a latency of 2 at a 400 clock speed, and so on.

For DDR3, I'd still stay away from anything with an 8 or 9 latency if you can help it. They make 2GB sticks with a latency of 7 or even 6 for the same price. If you can fit it in your slots, this is a good example.

Of course, if you get to the very very high end of speed (currently something like this) you can expect to pay a premium no matter what, and you'd also better be sure your motherboard is equipped for it.

The important thing to take away from this is that DDR3 really is the way to go, because eventually they'll get the latency down to roughly the same as DDR2, and if you're starting out at a higher clock speed like DDR3-1333 instead of DDR2-667, you'll be much better off. Try to get a motherboard that supports at least DDR3-1333. That seems to be about the current standard for just high-end enough without being super-expensive.
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i have NO idea what anyone just said in this thread.

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that caught me off guard. i havent laughed that hard at a post in a while. (looks just like preach! ) and i do know chimps aint monkeys.
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Alright... TALK TO ME... How does this look?

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LG 22X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe Black SATA Model GH22LS30 - OEM

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Western Digital VelociRaptor WD1500HLFS 150GB 10000 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Hard Drive (bare drive) - OEM

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I haven't checked compatibility of the Ram yet.. though it is DDR3 with the right clocking. BUt I just want to know if I am on the right track here. It is a tad bit too expensive at this point, but I figure I can cut one or two things down a bit as well as shop around for some better prices.

Also, I figure the power is overboard. I really don't know what I am doing with that, so some help would be apppreciated.
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preacher if your lookin for speakers, here's a fairly cheap set i'd recommend.....
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Preacher try the Cooler Master HAF32, fantastic case for cheap. Also you can get the OEM Vista build for $99, so that will save you some money there. Everything else looks good.
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