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Old 04-30-2009, 04:18 PM   #11
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Maybe god will give the Jews a new place to call Israel. I got news for you, when we are done with oil, Israel will be on her own. The ole clock is ticking on Israel.
As it is, I think Israel can do just fine on her own - seems to me she's singlehandedly kicked the living shit out of her neighbors more than once.
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Old 04-30-2009, 04:46 PM   #12
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The debil has the answers you seek. Ask him.
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I have no predisposition to any denomination of any religion, nor have I referenced any in this thread.
Sorry, it wasn't meant to bring out your religious beliefs, only to highlight the reasons that there are so many variations of Christianity.

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The aforementioned debil spoke at Jesus through the Sadducees and Pharisees. And Jesus turned their words back against them.
In this, we'll have to agree to disagree. My take is that it was greedy power hungry men who sought to use the Church as their means for power. What better way to maintain control of the masses than to keep them uneducated and punish any non-believer. It's not always the Devil (or God) directly influencing our lives.

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You seem to have well formed opinions regarding religion. Guessing from a quality education. You may have noted that God made promises to Abraham and his descendants regarding Israel. I have made no suggestion that God loves anyone or doesn't
Actually, my "quality" of education involves 9 semester hours of college, none of which has anything remotely to do with religion. I've chosen to study (and I use that word loosely) various major religions, because I believe that I was given a mind for a reason. That, and I love debate. You may have noticed that on this board.

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Not at all. This is a forum. Air it out.
Glad that you have an intellect as well as faith. Both are equally important. (mines water, I don't do alcohol).

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I will respectfully disagree here. My personal belief if that that which we refer to as the Bible is the inspired word of God.
Inspired word of God or not, somebody had to write it down. Even if you look at the new Testament...there are huge inconsistencies with "The Gospels". Look at how each (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) each describe the resurrection. Something that important, you'd think, would be the exact same story told by each. And yet, whom did the angel speak to? Was it just Mary Magdalene (John 20:1) , or was there more than one woman involved (Matthew 28:1, Luke 24:1)?

Minor details (in the grand scheme of things) aren't nearly as important as the underlying theme...however, this just points out that, despite being God inspired, it was still written by (fallible) men...which means that the details are not necessarily trustworthy.

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My point here is not to thump the Bible or get into a long drawn out debate on religion. Rather, returning to the first post in the thread, I am voicing my concern that America is turning our backs on Israel. Israel has but one ally in this world. If we step away, all will pounce on her. God said what He said. I'd prefer to not be in the goat side of that equation.
I understand. Again, I'm not questioning your faith, telling you you're absolutely unequivocally or that I'm absolutely unequivocally right...because until such time that we die, we won't really know. I also believe that our faiths are closer linked than my arguments would lend most to believe.

I don't believe we should just stand by and let Israel get pounced, but at the same time, I really am not impressed with the actions of Israel either. The religious side of me is conflicted in this argument.
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Old 04-30-2009, 04:51 PM   #13
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I don't know why we even bother having a presence over there in the first place. I say pull out all our support and troops from the region, and let them blow each other to bits. So long as not one more American soldier is killed or dollar spent on people who'd rather see us all dead anyway.
I agree. I've never understood America's fascination with Israel.

I don't see a problem with being allies. Israel has a huge pair. Their military isn't the weak and pathetic bunch that many think they are. They're a force to be reckoned with. And good for them.
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As it is, I think Israel can do just fine on her own - seems to me she's singlehandedly kicked the living shit out of her neighbors more than once.

I agree, and our American soldiers have paid a price for this. I've been in favor for a long time of stepping back and taking a good look at this alliance. An alliance should be mutualy benificial. I don't see that as the case here. If BHO wants to step back a bit from this, it is one thing I could get behind.
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I don't believe we should just stand by and let Israel get pounced, but at the same time, I really am not impressed with the actions of Israel either. The religious side of me is conflicted in this argument.
I think we're singing out of the same hymnal. I'm less than impressed with Israeli "leadership". But this administration scares me @#$%less.

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I think we're singing out of the same hymnal. I'm less than impressed with Israeli "leadership". But this administration scares me @#$%less.

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I can go with the Vernors. I have yet to taste a better Ginger Ale! It's not just Israel leadership though, it's their entire culture. They're every bit as messed up as the rest of the ME. Certainly they need to protect their borders...but more importantly, they need to get a firmer grasp on their own people as well. Nothing will change in the ME until such time as each of those "civilizations" (and I use that term very loosely) get a firm grasp on their own people...
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I can go with the Vernors. I have yet to taste a better Ginger Ale! It's not just Israel leadership though, it's their entire culture. They're every bit as messed up as the rest of the ME. Certainly they need to protect their borders...but more importantly, they need to get a firmer grasp on their own people as well. Nothing will change in the ME until such time as each of those "civilizations" (and I use that term very loosely) get a firm grasp on their own people...
We're in violent agreement. The ME has been FUBAR since the beginning of recorded history. Its stunningly arrogant to posture that we have a clue as to how sort it. Either party. The departure with me is that we're now sideling up to the terrorists.

You know what would be a refreshing national "posture"? Put on the Marine face and say "its our damned oil. We're going to extract every damned drop. And what are you going to do about it?" At least we can agree to respect intellectual honesty.
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I can go with the Vernors. I have yet to taste a better Ginger Ale! It's not just Israel leadership though, it's their entire culture. They're every bit as messed up as the rest of the ME. Certainly they need to protect their borders...but more importantly, they need to get a firmer grasp on their own people as well. Nothing will change in the ME until such time as each of those "civilizations" (and I use that term very loosely) get a firm grasp on their own people...
So true...

Just seems that Israel in particular has come to expect our unconditional support. They constantly anger the entire region and we are there to sweep up the mess in alot of cases.

Like fansince76 and you have mentioned.

1. Thanks to us they are perfectly capable of defending themselves.

2. They have social issues that we can't help with anyway. These issues more often than not destablize the region.
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The ME has been FUBAR since the beginning of recorded history. Its stunningly arrogant to posture that we have a clue as to how sort it. agree 100% Either party. The departure with me is that we're now sideling up to the terrorists. pretty sure we havent drawn lines in the sand.

You know what would be a refreshing national "posture"? Put on the Marine face and say "its our damned oil. totally agree. We're going to extract every damned drop. And what are you going to do about it?" At least we can agree to respect intellectual honesty.
while we may be on different ends of the political spectrum (based on las nov. outcomes) i understand and can definitely respect that and the manner in which it was delivered.

as far as barak being the debil, i have a bobby bouche and his momma picture for you.
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while we may be on different ends of the political spectrum (based on las nov. outcomes) i understand and can definitely respect that and the manner in which it was delivered.

as far as barak being the debil, i have a bobby bouche and his momma picture for you.
I'm not into the parties. They both suck. One's a bunch of ineffectual cuckolds. The others are, well, let's just leave that be.

No, I don't think bho is da debil. I do believe his core is satanic (alinsky, lifelong marxist associations). Words mean things.
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