bho is what he is

[tony hipchest]

but ma mam ma mam ma mamma always say.... barack is da debil!

republicans say democrats are the devil.

democrats say republicans are the devil.

muslims think the entire western workls is the devil.

and there are those who think that money is the root of all evil.

[BIGBENFASTWILLIE]

Originally Posted by xfl2001fan

To play devil's advocate here...answer me a few questions.

What is the Bible (in particular, reference the old testament)?
When was the bible written?
When was the King James revision written?
Who decided which books do/don't belong in the bible?
What is Christianity?
What's the difference between a Catholic and a Baptist?
Are they not both Christians?
If you're a Christian, why don't you celebrate Jewish Holidays? To be a Christian is to strive to be Christ-like (right?)...and Christ was a Jew.

For centuries, the Roman Catholic Church ruled (yes, ruled) most of Europe and used the church to crush the opposition. They used God's name like a sword, instead of the shield it was intended...and cut anybody who disagreed with any form of their beliefs. The Spanish Inquisition...hell, you could even look at Braveheart. (While the movie in and of itself isn't historically accurate, it's a great reference point into the behaviors of the church and it's officials of that time.)

If they can do that, why can't they "come up with their revisionists version? For that matter, if you're to believe the Bible at it's face value, this was going on during Jesus time as well. Note his battles with the Sadducees and Pharisees. They were constantly trying to use the scripture to undermine Him. If they were doing it then, who's to say they weren't doing it long before (and certainly long after?)

Maybe God used to favor Israel, until such time that Israel turned it's back on God? Relying on God to protect you is only going to carry you so far...especially when you aren't doing anything Godly and doing even less to protect yourself. Praying 5 times a day doesn't change the fact that you're a sinner...and if your actions are pre-meditated, it has an even less effect.

God doesn't love Israel anymore than loves Iran/Iraq/US/or any other place. He loves His people...all of them. He'll shelther those who are doing their best to live a Godly life...but even then, we are in our world, not His. His kingdom is Heaven. This place, this is our chance to prove to ourselves whether there is enough in us to be judged worthy. Whether you were born/raised in Israel will not have any bearing on your Judgement. How you acted within your environment will.

If this has rained on your parade, I apologize...it's not my intent. But the moment you bring scripture into things, (all of which was written by Man) I have to call you into account.

Hummmm..... Maybe if we just take away religion then everyone will stop fighting. Becasue afterall, it seems most wars revolve around religion afterall..... Does religion lead to all that is evil?

[xfl2001fan]

Originally Posted by BIGBENFASTWILLIE

Hummmm..... Maybe if we just take away religion then everyone will stop fighting. Becasue afterall, it seems most wars revolve around religion afterall..... Does religion lead to all that is evil?

That is a gross misrepresentation and oversimplification. Religion doesn't lead to war. Idiotic zealots lead to war. Radical extremists (no matter which "side" they are on) lead to war.

Whatever God(s) you choose to (or not to) worship, I have serious reservations that He/She/They could possibly desire the taking of an innocent's life...no matter their differences.

But good luck with that getting rid of religion bit. Try doing that...and you'll find yourself in an even greater war.

[BIGBENFASTWILLIE]

Originally Posted by xfl2001fan

That is a gross misrepresentation and oversimplification. Religion doesn't lead to war. Idiotic zealots lead to war. Radical extremists (no matter which "side" they are on) lead to war.

Whatever God(s) you choose to (or not to) worship, I have serious reservations that He/She/They could possibly desire the taking of an innocent's life...no matter their differences.

But good luck with that getting rid of religion bit. Try doing that...and you'll find yourself in an even greater war.

Im not personlly saying to get rid of religion I was just putting the question out there and just pointing out that most if not all wars revolve around religion.... be it radical extremist or not............

[JEFF4i]

Originally Posted by BIGBENFASTWILLIE

Im not personlly saying to get rid of religion I was just putting the question out there and just pointing out that most if not all wars revolve around religion.... be it radical extremist or not............

Getting rid of religion won't change anything. You're calling scapegoat here, its just been such a consistent motivation that we think that it is the real reason. It isn't.

That said, I'm still flamingly liberal and if anything...Doaist. :)

[xfl2001fan]

Originally Posted by BIGBENFASTWILLIE

Im not personlly saying to get rid of religion I was just putting the question out there and just pointing out that most if not all wars revolve around religion.... be it radical extremist or not............

Even if you could get rid of religion, radical extremists would just find another justification for their petty wars. The world is chock full of idiots...religion doesn't change that. It just gives them a voice.

[Vincent]

Originally Posted by BIGBENFASTWILLIE

Hummmm..... Maybe if we just take away religion then everyone will stop fighting. Becasue afterall, it seems most wars revolve around religion afterall..... Does religion lead to all that is evil?

Originally Posted by BIGBENFASTWILLIE

Im not personlly saying to get rid of religion I was just putting the question out there and just pointing out that most if not all wars revolve around religion.... be it radical extremist or not............

Once again, public school has done its job well. What wars revolved around religion? Aside from the crusades, none comes to mind.

OK, the one we're in does. Religious zealots highjacked our airplanes and flew them into our buildings. Then Booosh declared that the global war on terror had begun and seized the iraqi oil fields and a bunch of "freedom fighters" got killed in the process. But that's not a war because once we got rid of Booosh it became the "Overseas Contingency Operation".

Oh, and of course there have been the various genocides in Africa over the last half century. But those weren't wars. Just a bunch of Christians being starved, shot or hacked to death.

What religious wars do you speak of?

[Vincent]

Sorry. I couldn't resist ("resist" )

There are some really creative folks "oud-dare".

[xfl2001fan]

Originally Posted by Vincent

Once again, public school has done its job well. What wars revolved around religion? Aside from the crusades, none comes to mind.

OK, the one we're in does. Religious zealots highjacked our airplanes and flew them into our buildings. Then Booosh declared that the global war on terror had begun and seized the iraqi oil fields and a bunch of "freedom fighters" got killed in the process. But that's not a war because once we got rid of Booosh it became the "Overseas Contingency Operation".

Oh, and of course there have been the various genocides in Africa over the last half century. But those weren't wars. Just a bunch of Christians being starved, shot or hacked to death.

What religious wars do you speak of?

Even then, you could stretch the lines and say that the Gulf War and the current war is tied to religion. You could really stretch it and say that WWII was tied to religion (Hitler hated Jews). Even the American Revolution had religious ties (in that if it weren't for their desire to have freedom of religion, on top of the whole taxation w/o representation, there might not have been a war.)

Almost every fight/battle/war in the ME can be indirectly (if not directly) tied to religious zealots.

At the end of the day though, I stand by my words. The idiots that are at the source of all of this would find something else (if not religion) in which to pin their hate on and cause their trouble.

[revefsreleets]

By the by, we are not allies with Israel over oil. We are allies with Israel because:

A) We need allies in that part of the World regardless
B) The US has a HUGE Jewish population...if I'm not mistaken (and, Christ, I'm sure one of my internet stalkers will do the research and throw it back in my face if I am, thereby adding to their phyrric victory total), there are more Jews living in the US than any other Country outside of Israel.

The partnership with Israel is a strategic one, not a tactical one. We have been and NEED TO continue to be allies with Israel for our own good as well as theirs.

There is no doubt that Obama has changed our policy towards Israel, but I don't believe he's stupid enough to damage it irreparably.