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Old 06-17-2009, 04:42 PM   #41
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The real shame of it all is that the guy's family was so easy to buy off. I would hope that if I died, my loved ones would value my life more than a cash payment.
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Old 06-17-2009, 04:48 PM   #42
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Yes, most human lives are worth more than a dogs life. (If you're a child molester and I have to save you or a goldfish from a burning building...the fish is coming with me.)
I could not agree with you more on that point
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Old 06-17-2009, 04:53 PM   #43
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You are oversimplifying the situations. Federal laws have much harsher punishments than state charges. They also have sentencing guidelines drastically different than state courts. For instance Federal crack cocaine charge, mandatory minimum 10 years. State crack cocaine charge, probably not seeing a day of jail.


I just can't believe all this talk about federal vs state laws and intent. And if i'm oversimplifying, it's because it IS overly simple. Everybody knows drinking impairs you. He drank, he drove, he ran a man over and killed him. What other facts do you need to know to know that 30 days is a joke ? No wait, it's not a joke 'cause it ain't even funny.
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I just can't believe all this talk about federal vs state laws and intent. And if i'm oversimplifying, it's because it IS overly simple. Everybody knows drinking impairs you. He drank, he drove, he ran a man over and killed him. What other facts do you need to know to know that 30 days is a joke ? No wait, it's not a joke 'cause it ain't even funny.
That's right .. unbelievable that it can get so convoluted for some people. It doesn't take much to see that no matter what The Rules say, why they were put there, or what happened to some other guy in some other case -- it doesn't seem like they worked very well for Stallworth.
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Old 06-17-2009, 06:35 PM   #45
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I think Vick AND Stallworth both got off too easy to be honest. People who will kill dogs without a second thought tend to be people who will kill other people without a thought. I have read that most serial killers start off by killing small animals. So don't try to minimize what Vick did just because they were "only dogs". I am not one of those PETA nuts, but passionate, normal humans do not torture any other living thing. It drives me crazy that the justice system allows families of the victims to be bought off. It should never happen that way.
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Old 06-17-2009, 07:10 PM   #46
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I just can't believe all this talk about federal vs state laws and intent. And if i'm oversimplifying, it's because it IS overly simple. Everybody knows drinking impairs you. He drank, he drove, he ran a man over and killed him. What other facts do you need to know to know that 30 days is a joke ? No wait, it's not a joke 'cause it ain't even funny.
What other factors? The dead man ran across the street trying to catch the bus...Stallworth didn't flee the scene...Stallworth cooperated the entire time...Stallworth was genuinely remorseful...The family wanted to get the case resolved ASAP for the 15 year old child of the deceased...

Do some people really not understand plea bargaining? That's obviously the best verdict they could get and satisfy the family. This case is different from Vick's case in EVERY aspect. As some have said already, this is not a Fed case. Geez!
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Old 06-17-2009, 10:18 PM   #47
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I didn't say intent doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter so much that you should consider a fatal "accident" as no big deal just because the guy didn't mean to do it. People get 30 days for getting caught with weed, for chrissakes.

And I still cannot even begin to stress how much I don't buy the "accident" part in Stallworth's case. The guy made the decision to party all night and then get behind the wheel, and it is absolutely inconceivable in this day and age to not know this is dangerous. It's something they absolutely beat into your head as soon as you're old enough to understand English. Your argument makes it sound like driving drunk is something that just happens to people through no fault of their own. No.

Maybe it wasn't as deliberate as cold-blooded murder, but don't give me this bullshit that it was just an innocent mistake either.



I don't know where you get that from, but you're about as wrong as it's possible to be. The guy killed someone, got caught red-handed, and admitted to the crime. He is definitely guilty.

You talk about the shoe being on the other foot ... what if someone killed one of your family members and got off with a slap on the wrist? Would you walk away with a smile on your face and say oh well, it's OK because he didn't mean to do it? I don't think so, so don't give me that shit either.

The real shame of it all is that the guy's family was so easy to buy off. I would hope that if I died, my loved ones would value my life more than a cash payment.
Who said it wasn't a big deal. I said in my experience as an attorney this is not a case that is so out of the ordinary like you want to believe it is. You can organize a movement to change the law if you wish. Until then the law is the law.

If someone killed a loved one of mine and it was an accident I certainly wouldn't be as upset if the perpetrator intended to kill them. Bottom line is regardless of whether Stallworth was DUI or not the guy most likely would have been hit and killed. That removes the proximate result element of a vehicular manslaughter required to send someone away for any real length of time.
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Who said it wasn't a big deal. I said in my experience as an attorney this is not a case that is so out of the ordinary like you want to believe it is. You can organize a movement to change the law if you wish. Until then the law is the law.

If someone killed a loved one of mine and it was an accident I certainly wouldn't be as upset if the perpetrator intended to kill them. Bottom line is regardless of whether Stallworth was DUI or not the guy most likely would have been hit and killed. That removes the proximate result element of a vehicular manslaughter required to send someone away for any real length of time.
I don't consider it an accident when a guy gets behind the wheel drunk and kills someone. A vehicle is a weapon at that point. I also understand that he didn't plan it like Vick did. Its called accountability and he should be accountable for more than a month in jail. Barkely did a month in jail for a DUI and didn't kill anyone. I do know I would rather see 100 dogs dead than a human though.
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I don't consider it an accident when a guy gets behind the wheel drunk and kills someone.
what do you consider it when a guy gets behind the wheel sober and kills someone?

not to make light of the situation, but i have spilt less beer drunk, than glasses of milk or soda while sober, and either way, it was never intentional.

what is being lost here is that 2 years on "house arrest" and another 8 on probation, is pretty much a life sentence. theres a 1 :100,000 shot he makes it through the 1st 6 months w/o a violation (which means he will have to buy his way out of another sentence... but still).

that is the real travesty here.
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I don't consider it an accident when a guy gets behind the wheel drunk and kills someone. A vehicle is a weapon at that point. I also understand that he didn't plan it like Vick did. Its called accountability and he should be accountable for more than a month in jail. Barkely did a month in jail for a DUI and didn't kill anyone. I do know I would rather see 100 dogs dead than a human though.
A vehicle is always a weapon, drunk or sober. What about the guy who glances at his radio/gps, the person texting, or the lady putting on makeup? Do you have the same zero tolerance for them? They all make a conscious and volitional decision as well. You do also realize that the guy ran out into the street. I guarantee it's a different story if he's crossing in a crosswalk when he has the right of way.

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what do you consider it when a guy gets behind the wheel sober and kills someone?

not to make light of the situation, but i have spilt less beer drunk, than glasses of milk or soda while sober, and either way, it was never intentional.

what is being lost here is that 2 years on "house arrest" and another 8 on probation, is pretty much a life sentence. theres a 1 :100,000 shot he makes it through the 1st 6 months w/o a violation (which means he will have to buy his way out of another sentence... but still).

that is the real travesty here.
Good point Tony, the probation is always the killer. The guy cannot leave his house except for work for 2 years, probably supervised probation with multitudes of drug and alcohol tests and can never drive again. His license is suspended forever. It's not like he's getting a slap on the wrist. What do you expect the DA to do if he has a crappy case? Then you'd be crying he got away!
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