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Old 06-26-2009, 09:41 PM   #1
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Default House passes Cap and Trade bill

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...limate-change/

The House of Representatives Friday approved a milestone energy and climate change bill that would curb greenhouse gasses omitted by industry and agriculture.


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WASHINGTON -- The Democratic-controlled House, dealing a legislative victory to President Obama, narrowly passed sweeping legislation Friday that calls for the nation's first limits on pollution linked to global warming and aims to usher in a new era of cleaner, yet more costly energy.

The vote was 219-212, capping months of negotiations and days of intense bargaining among Democrats. Republicans were overwhelmingly against the measure, arguing it would destroy jobs in the midst of a recession while burdening consumers with a new tax in the form of higher energy costs.

The House's action fulfilled Speaker Nancy Pelosi's vow to clear major energy legislation before July 4, and sent the measure to a highly uncertain fate in the Senate.

Obama lobbied recalcitrant Democrats by phone from the White House as the debate unfolded across several hours, and Al Gore posted a statement on his Web site saying the measure represents "an essential first step towards solving the climate crisis." The former vice president won a Nobel Peace Prize for his work drawing attention to the destructive potential of global warming.

On the House floor, Democrats hailed the legislation as historic, while Republicans said it would damage the economy without solving the nation's energy woes.

It is "the most important energy and environmental legislation in the history of our country," said Rep. Ed Markey of Massachusetts. "It sets a new course for our country, one that steers us away from foreign oil and towards a path of clean American energy."

But Rep. John Boehner, the House Republican leader, used an extraordinary one-hour speech shortly before the final vote to warn of unintended consequences in what he said was a "defining bill." He called it a "bureaucratic nightmare" that would cost jobs, depress real estate prices and put the government into parts of the economy where it now has no role.

The legislation would require the U.S. to reduce carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions by 17 percent from 2005 levels by 2020 and by about 80 percent by mid-century. That was slightly more aggressive than Obama originally wanted, 14 percent by 2020 and the same 80 percent by mid-century.

U.S. carbon dioxide emissions from the burning of fossil fuels are rising at about 1 percent a year and are predicted to continue increasing without mandatory limits.

Under the bill, the government would limit heat-trapping pollution from factories, refineries and power plants and issue allowances for polluters. Most of the allowances would be given away, but about 15 percent would be auctioned by bid and the proceeds used to defray higher energy costs for lower-income individuals and families.

"Some would like to do more. Some would like to do less," House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., said in advance of the final vote. "But we have reached a compromise ... and it is a compromise that can pass this House, pass that Senate, be signed by the president and become law and make progress."

One of the biggest compromises involved the near total elimination of an administration plan to sell pollution permits and raise more than $600 billion over a decade -- money to finance continuation of a middle class tax cut. About 85 percent of the permits are to be given away rather than sold in a ceoncession to energy companies and their allies in the House -- and even that is uncertain to survive in the Senate.

The final bill also contained concessions to satisfy farm-state lawmakers, ethanol producers, hydroelectric advocates, the nuclear industry and others, some of them so late that they were not made public until 3 a.m. on Friday.

Supporters and opponents agreed the result would be higher energy costs but disagreed vigorously on the impact on consumers. Democrats pointed to two reports -- one from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office and the other from the Environmental Protection Agency -- that suggested average increases would be limited after tax credits and rebates were taken into account. The CBO estimated the bill would cost an average household $175 a year, the EPA $80 to $110 a year.

Republicans questioned the validity of the CBO study and noted that even that analysis showed actual energy production costs increasing $770 per household. Industry groups have cited other studies showing much higher costs to the economy and to individuals.

The White House and congressional Democrats argued the bill would create millions of "green jobs" as the nation shifts to greater reliance on renewable energy sources such as wind and solar and development of more fuel-efficient vehicles -- and away from use of fossil fuels such as oil, gas and coal.

It will "make our nation the world leader on clean energy jobs and technology," declared Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., who negotiated deals with dozens of lawmakers in recent weeks to broaden the bill's support.

Pelosi, D-Calif., took an intense personal interest in the measure, sitting through hours of meetings with members of the rank and file and nurturing fragile compromises.

At its heart, the bill was a trade-off, less than the White House initially sought though it was more than Republicans said was acceptable. Some of the dealmaking had a distinct political feel. Rep. Alan Grayson, a first-term Democrat, won a pledge of support that $50 million from the proceeds of pollution permit sales in the bill would go to a proposed new hurricane research facility in his district in Orlando, Fla.

"This is revolutionary. This is a moment in history," declared Markey, a co-sponsor of the bill.

Republicans saw it differently.

This "amounts to the largest tax increase in American history under the guise of climate change," declared Rep. Mike Pence, R-Ind.








I dont think it will make it through the Senate, but it still scares the hell out of me
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If it makes it through were all screwed.
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kinda funny how 300 pages of text were dropped on the laps of the republicans just a few hours before the vote.

Also interesting that under the guise of "global warming" they are trying to "fix" a whole bunch of different things.

Talk about shoddy, underhanded politics.
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kinda funny how 300 pages of text were dropped on the laps of the republicans just a few hours before the vote.

Also interesting that under the guise of "global warming" they are trying to "fix" a whole bunch of different things.

Talk about shoddy, underhanded politics.
What do you mean, this is the new "transparent" administration....all bills will be prepared and then allowed to be reviewed way before the vote (place sarcasm smiley here)
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add this tax to the impending health care tax and welcome to Russia right after the fall of the Sovient Union .
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....Al Gore posted a statement on his Web site saying the measure represents "an essential first step towards solving the climate crisis." The former vice president won a Nobel Peace Prize for his work drawing attention to the destructive potential of global warming.
Not to mention pocketing a cool $100 mil while doing so. No self-serving agenda there.

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This will have an IMMEDIATE impact on electric bills for those whose power is derived from coal. That is, if this fetid lump of donkey turd bill actually makes it through the Senate, which I suspect it will not. Senators are MUCH more exposed to single issue voting reactions, and voting for this bill is a natural "term-limiter". You have a "yea" marked next to a vote that directly increases 85% of your constituents electric bills $100 a month and you WILL be looking for a new job after the next election.

I still have no idea how this thing got as far as it did. It's based on a hoax and does nothing but rape lower and middle class people for God knows who long.

When there is some VIABLE alternative in place and ready to be ramped up, go for it, but we are NOT there!

I am really, really, really angry about this. Eff Stupid-assed lying sack of shit Al Gore, and eff stupid-assed liberal knee-jerk Obama for being smart enough to know better but too much of a political w hore to lay off. How many different ways can this guy eff us over in just a couple hundred days?
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It's based on a hoax and does nothing but rape lower and middle class people for God knows who long.
Actually...they have built in "wealth distribution" clauses for the lower class.

In the current bill, 15% of all allowances each year are set aside to reimburse low income households for higher energy costs.

Benefits to lower income households, many of whom are not in the tax system (don't pay one time in taxes)...... would be distributed through a monthly refund through the household’s bank account or delivered through state electronic benefit transfer systems (cash deposited directly into their bank acoounts)....


Households below 150% of the poverty line would be eligible and households receiving food stamps and participants in the Low Income Subsidy program for the Medicare prescription drug benefit would automatically qualify.

This low income relief would be in addition to more lower income relief that would be distributed through Local Distribution Companies (LDCs) using 30% of the allocations.
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Hmmmmmm...wealth distribution, eh?

Notice how I said 85%.

The top 5% will be unaffected because they are uber-rich and don't care.

And the bottom 10% will be exempt because they don't pay for anything on their own anyway...

I'm getting angry!
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Im pretty sure that this bill will get shot down in the senate anyway...Senators know they will be on the hot seat when voting on this, and if they want to remain a senator, they will vote against it
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