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Old 07-01-2009, 05:36 PM   #1
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Default Dudes on NFL Channel on Sirius

I didn't pick up on the names of who was chatting, but they said that Pgh wasn't really that good of a team and that they won a ring because the league, in general, had one of it's weakest years, in terms of overall quality of play and the number of good teams.

They said that the Steelers were probably one of the weaker teams to win the Super Bowl since the league had a very down season and that teams that seemed sub par last year could easily get up to the Steelers' level of play - citing even a team like the Bengals could be as good or better than Pgh by the 2009 season.

What do you agree or disagree with re: these assertions?

I'd say they probably have a decent point about - over all - it probably being a weak year for the total quality of the teams in the NFL. After all was said and done, the teams making the play offs were not very good. Indy was barely above average. SD was an 8-8 team, for cripes sake. TN had a gaudy record but were hardly THAT good of a team, with Korky Collins as their starting QB. Balt. had a rookie QB and almost no big play makers to speak of.

On the NFC side, you had a Giants team that lost most of its games in December. A Carolina team that was Jeckyl and Hide all season. A Philly team that was peaking but wasn't all that talented and an AZ team that looked no better than average all season long (but got hot in the post season).

I'm gonna have to go along and agree that the 2008 season was sub par as far as the quality of the play off teams.

That being said, no way does a team like the Bengals surpass Pgh in the 2009 season. They have way too many holes from what I can tell and...well...they are the Bengals which means they should find a way to suck 85% of the time.

Pgh should still be a contender in 2009, but there may be better teams lining up to challenge them in the play offs this time around. Brady will be back with NE, and that changes the field of play right there, alone. Balt. won't have a rookie QB. SD will probably have a healthy LT for the first time in a while. etc.

If there is a surprise team coming out of the North, it will be Cleveland, not Cinci. The Browns could win 10 games this year.
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Old 07-01-2009, 05:42 PM   #2
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WAH WAH WAH!!! Tom Brady wasnt playing so it wasnt fair. WAH WAH WAH!!!
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WAH WAH WAH!!! Tom Brady wasnt playing so it wasnt fair. WAH WAH WAH!!!
In so many words, bingo. In a nutshell, it was a "throwaway" year because the mighty metrosexual QB wasn't playing and the bestest, most wonderfulest team ever didn't even make the postseason. Next.
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What about the huge plays in the Super Bowl? What about how competitive the Cards were? Not to mention the double standard when it comes to QBs where the one who threw a 100 yd pic 6 and fumbled on his last play got more accolades than the winning QB who helped win the game.

These Steelers are reminiscent of the late 1970s team, for real. I watched them and during their run, nobody outside of Pittsburgh really gave them the credit they deserved until after they fell from the top. One reason is they ALWAYS beat America's team and another is they won so much that many took it for granted.

But what I remember most is that they found ways to win games. They did not come out and run up the score 45-0 and then wait for the other teams to catch up. They had brutal games with lots of injuries.

Last season's team reminds me of them. And if somebody thinks the Steelers won because the league was so weak, it just means that their team was probably one of the worst teams in the league.
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I'm disappointed in the shallow thought process here sometimes. Instead of addressing the very specific assertions, you go off on an infant rant. If it was merely a "Waaaa no Brady" then go ahead and refute the myriad of other assertions made by these guys. So, illustrate how the NFL was indeed as quality as usual in the post season. Do you really think Pgh having to beat an 8-8 team and a team with a rookie QB is as impressive per typical Super Bowl- winning teams' post seasons?

It's depressing to see such base and coarse intellect as the norm in Steeler fans.
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Old 07-01-2009, 06:50 PM   #6
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I will guarantee you, that if Dallas or New England had gotten to and won the Super Bowl, there would not be ANY talk of a so called " down year ". The teams that got into the playoffs were very good teams and for the most part deserved to be there. The Steeler beat everyone put in front of them. As far and I am concerned, case closed.
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What about the huge plays in the Super Bowl? What about how competitive the Cards were? Not to mention the double standard when it comes to QBs where the one who threw a 100 yd pic 6 and fumbled on his last play got more accolades than the winning QB who helped win the game.

These Steelers are reminiscent of the late 1970s team, for real. I watched them and during their run, nobody outside of Pittsburgh really gave them the credit they deserved until after they fell from the top. One reason is they ALWAYS beat America's team and another is they won so much that many took it for granted.

But what I remember most is that they found ways to win games. They did not come out and run up the score 45-0 and then wait for the other teams to catch up. They had brutal games with lots of injuries.

Last season's team reminds me of them. And if somebody thinks the Steelers won because the league was so weak, it just means that their team was probably one of the worst teams in the league.
Most of your points are valid, but few address the thrust of what was initially asserted. Only your end comment address the assertion that the NFL was a watered down, lower-quality league than is the norm, say, for the past 20 years.

I examined the specifics of each play off team, and came away agreeing with the guys on the Sirius NFL Channel that last year did, in fact, field some of the weakest play off teams - especially when viewed collectively - that I ever recall analyzing.

SD - 8-8 team from a radically weak division. (KC, Oakland and Denver - not the murderers row of opponents).

Indy - Lost to 8-8 SD in first round.

Balt. - Rookie QB, no play makers.

TN - Kerry Collins was their QB
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Now THAT'S garbage. Sometimes you'll see a team win one Super Bowl by luck. When's the last time you saw a team win two Super Bowls in four years by luck, with all the same players?

Also, apparently, never mind the fact that we played one of the hardest schedules ever and not only won 12 games, but even in the losses, had a fighting chance to win every single one of them until the last possession. We didn't really play a bad game the entire season, at least by most teams' standards.
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It was a down year?

The Patriots were 11-5 without Brady...and we stomped them in New England.

We lost in the regular season to a 12-win Colts team.

We beat a Cowboys team that the media pegged as a Super Bowl contender until their late season collapse.

The Steelers also had one of the hardest schedules in the NFL, won 12 games in the regular season, and won the Super Bowl.

In the AFC, we had the following teams that were playoff teams:

Steelers
Titans
Chargers
Dolphins
Colts
Ravens

The Steelers, Colts, and Chargers all made the playoffs last year.

Then, in the Super Bowl we played a Cardinals team that beat an Eagles team that dominated the Steelers offense earlier this season.

This year we will find out if last year truly was a down year.

If the Dolphins, Titans, and Ravens all do well this year...not necessarily the playoffs, just have a 10 win season...then I think that proves that last year wasn't a down year.

And honestly, the media is only labeling last year a down year because their favorite person to slurp on, Tom Brady, was out after the first game.
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I'm disappointed in the shallow thought process here sometimes. Instead of addressing the very specific assertions, you go off on an infant rant. If it was merely a "Waaaa no Brady" then go ahead and refute the myriad of other assertions made by these guys. So, illustrate how the NFL was indeed as quality as usual in the post season. Do you really think Pgh having to beat an 8-8 team and a team with a rookie QB is as impressive per typical Super Bowl- winning teams' post seasons?

It's depressing to see such base and coarse intellect as the norm in Steeler fans.
everyone on this board needs to shutup... (still waitin on the sarcasm smiley)
we all seem to forget Thumper here seems to know more than everyone out there.. .specially Steeler Nation.

GIMME A BREAK! steelers finished 12-4... against the leagues toughest schedule... dont talk to me about.. ooh the teams played sub-par this year... blah blah

the teams were the exact same teams!
most teams just couldn't find a way to finish games... but the tough teams were definitely there... the old rival veterans were definitely there!
Steelers could have easily finished 4-12... given the fact that almost everygame they played they pulled off a victory in the final seconds! it could have easily gone the other way. !!!!!!

BUT THEY FOUND A WAY TO WIN! THEY FOUND A WAY TO PULL IT OFF IN THE END AND COME OUT WITH A VICTORY... AND THAT MY FRIEND IS THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TEAM WITH "SIX" AND THE REST OF THE "SUB PAR LEAGUE "

so GET OVER IT.
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