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Old 07-16-2009, 06:51 AM   #1
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Default Socialized health care question.

Could someone please explain to me the basic "pros" of a universal, socialized, government run health care system over what we have now? I have the basic cons in place, but any unbiased analysis would be great.

There is too much bias out there on this topic.

For the record, I am against the Feds running anything like this on our tax dollars as that goes against the responsibilities of the Federal government.
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Old 07-16-2009, 09:31 AM   #2
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Default Re: Socialized health care question.

Go Visit a Local VA Hospital and ask the soldiers there receiving care how it is. That should answer all your questions on how a Government Run Medical Service Woks.

If that doesn't work for you, go to your local DMV and sit back and watch and see how a Government Run entity works.
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Default Re: Socialized health care question.

I think the upshot is that everyone will be covered.
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Default Re: Socialized health care question.

Pros: If you can't afford health coverage, you now get your medical expenses paid for free.

Cons: If you can afford health coverage, you now have to pay for your own medical expenses plus two or three other people's.
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I think the upshot is that everyone will be covered.
Everyone could be covered now if they would work hard and put money toward it on their own. You can buy private insurance if you want. Blue Cross Blue Shield, and others.

The problem is people don't do that and the system isn't designed correctly. Insurance should be just that, Insurance for a Huge Problem. I don't use my car insurance for an Oil Change or Tire Rotation. I pay for those out of pocket. But if someone runs a red light and slams into my car, My Insurance Kicks in and helps me pay for damages or buy a new car.

Medical Insurance should be set up the same way. I pay out of pocket for a Check Up, Physical, Blood work. Then when I need a Gall Bladder taken out, then the Insurance Kicks in to help.

That's my opinion anyway. 1009 pages of nonsense is what's going to be voted on and again, no one is reading the fcking bill. I did however see that a Senator or Congressman from Louisiana is pushing some legislation that says flat out, any Congressman or Senator that votes yes on this bill, must also Volunteer to give up their Private Insurance and go on the Public Insurance System they are voting to put in place.

Now that I'm a fan of. Put their money (our money really) where their mouth is.
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Default Re: Socialized health care question.

Preaching to the choir, Dino. In fact, I have pushed up the hard numbers on this board several times asserting that most people actually de-prioritize healthcare and CHOOSE not to pay for it. The number 45,000,000 is probably more like 5-7 million who don't actually already qualify for free healthcare.
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Pros: If you can't afford health coverage, you now get your medical expenses paid for free.

Cons: If you can afford health coverage, you now have to pay for your own medical expenses plus two or three other people's.
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Go Visit a Local VA Hospital and ask the soldiers there receiving care how it is. That should answer all your questions on how a Government Run Medical Service Woks.

If that doesn't work for you, go to your local DMV and sit back and watch and see how a Government Run entity works.
Bingo!

That and the USPS. Expect rate hikes every 6-8 months.
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Everyone could be covered now if they would work hard and put money toward it on their own. You can buy private insurance if you want. Blue Cross Blue Shield, and others.

The problem is people don't do that and the system isn't designed correctly. Insurance should be just that, Insurance for a Huge Problem. I don't use my car insurance for an Oil Change or Tire Rotation. I pay for those out of pocket. But if someone runs a red light and slams into my car, My Insurance Kicks in and helps me pay for damages or buy a new car.

Medical Insurance should be set up the same way. I pay out of pocket for a Check Up, Physical, Blood work. Then when I need a Gall Bladder taken out, then the Insurance Kicks in to help.

That's my opinion anyway. 1009 pages of nonsense is what's going to be voted on and again, no one is reading the fcking bill. I did however see that a Senator or Congressman from Louisiana is pushing some legislation that says flat out, any Congressman or Senator that votes yes on this bill, must also Volunteer to give up their Private Insurance and go on the Public Insurance System they are voting to put in place.

Now that I'm a fan of. Put their money (our money really) where their mouth is.
One mistake you're making is assuming insurance means you'll be taken care of if you get sick. There are literally hundreds of horror stories of people who paid insurance for years, incurred a major expense, and the HMO said (falsely) that their treatment was elective or a pre-existing condition.

The Congressman you're thinking of is Paul Fleming of Shreveport. He's a doctor so he knows firsthand what the problems we have in the health care system. He just got elected last year so he still has common sense instead of thinking like a Beltway insider.
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Old 07-16-2009, 10:22 AM   #10
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Default Re: Socialized health care question.

Maybe we should supply auto insurance for everyone too. Oh wait, it's already required and people don't have it, oops.
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