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Old 07-22-2009, 08:23 AM   #1
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The beginning of the end only took about 180 days...

http://www.ohio.com/editorial/commentary/51372732.html

Watch the liberal suicide march By David Brooks
New York Times

Published on Wednesday, Jul 22, 2009


WASHINGTON: It was interesting to watch the Republican Party lose touch with America. You had a party led by conservative Southerners who neither understood nor sympathized with moderates or representatives from swing districts.
They brought in pollsters to their party conferences to persuade their members that the country was fervently behind them. They were supported by their interest groups and cheered on by their activists and the partisan press. They spent federal money in an effort to buy support but ended up disgusting the country instead.



It's not that interesting to watch the Democrats lose touch with America. That's because the plotline is exactly the same. The party is led by insular liberals from big cities and the coasts, who neither understand nor sympathize with moderates. They have their own cherry-picking pollsters, their own media and activist cocoon, their own plans to lavishly spend borrowed money to buy votes.
This ideological overreach won't be any more successful than the last one. A Washington Post-ABC News poll released Monday confirms what other polls have found. Most Americans love Barack Obama personally, but support for Democratic policies is already sliding fast.


Approval of Obama's handling of health care, for example, has slid from 57 percent to 49 percent since April. Disapproval has risen from 29 percent to 44 percent. As recently as June, voters earning more than $50,000 preferred Obama to the Republicans on health care by a 21-point margin. Now those voters are evenly split.



Most independents now disapprove of Obama's health care strategy. In March, only 32 percent of Americans thought Obama was an old-style, tax-and-spend liberal. Now 43 percent do. (This will cap off at about 67% before all is said and done IMO)



We're only in the early stages of the liberal suicide march, but there already have been three phases. First, there was the stimulus package. You would have thought that a stimulus package would be designed to fight unemployment and stimulate the economy during a recession. But congressional Democrats used it as a pretext to pay for $787 billion worth of pet programs with borrowed money. Only 11 percent of the money will be spent by the end of the fiscal year a triumph of ideology over pragmatism.




Then there is the budget. Instead of allaying moderate anxieties about the deficits, the budget is expected to increase the government debt by $11 trillion between 2009 and 2019.


Finally, there is health care. Every cliche Ann Coulter throws at the Democrats is gloriously fulfilled by the Democratic health care bills. The bills do almost nothing to control health care inflation. They are modeled on the Massachusetts health reform law that is currently coming apart at the seams precisely because it doesn't control costs. They do little to reward efficient providers and reform inefficient ones.



The House bill adds $239 billion to the federal deficit during the first 10 years, according to the Congressional Budget Office. It would pummel small businesses with an 8 percent payroll penalty. It would jack America's top tax rate above those in Italy and France. Top earners in New York and California would be giving more than 55 percent of earnings to one government entity or another.
Nancy Pelosi has lower approval ratings than Dick Cheney and far lower approval ratings than Sarah Palin. And yet Democrats have allowed her policy values to carry the day this in an era in which independents dominate the electoral landscape.



Who's going to stop this leftward surge? Months ago, it seemed as if Obama would lead a center-left coalition. Instead, he has deferred to the Old Bulls on Capitol Hill on issue after issue.



Machiavelli said a leader should be feared as well as loved. Obama is loved by the Democratic chairmen, but he is not feared. On health care, Obama has emphasized cost control. The chairmen flouted his priorities because they don't fear him. On cap and trade, Obama campaigned against giving away pollution offsets. The chairmen wrote their bill to do precisely that because they don't fear him. On taxes, Obama promised that top tax rates would not go above Clinton-era levels. The chairmen flouted that promise because they don't fear him.



Last week, the administration announced a proposal to take Medicare spending decisions away from Congress and lodge the power with technocrats in the executive branch. It's a good idea, and it might lead to real cost savings. But there's no reason to think that it will be incorporated into the final law. The chairmen will never surrender power to an administration they can override.
That leaves matters in the hands of the Blue Dog Democrats. These brave moderates are trying to restrain the fiscal explosion. But moderates inherently lack seniority (they are from swing districts). They are usually bought off by leadership at the end of the day.



And so here we are again. Every new majority overinterprets its mandate. We've been here before. We'll be here again.

Brooks is a New York Times columnist.
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Old 07-22-2009, 08:24 AM   #2
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And this:

http://www.ohio.com/news/nation/51372632.html

Great hopes for Obama fade to reality

President's approval ratings fall as American pessimism grows

By Nancy Benac and Trevor Tompson
Associated Press

Published on Wednesday, Jul 22, 2009

WASHINGTON: That was fast.

The hope and optimism that washed over the country in the opening months of Barack Obama's presidency are giving way to harsh realities.

An Associated Press-GfK Poll shows that a majority of Americans are back to thinking that the country is headed in the wrong direction after a fleeting period in which more thought it was on the right track.

Obama still has a solid 55 percent approval rating — better than Bill Clinton and about even with George W. Bush six months into their presidencies — but there are growing doubts about whether he can succeed at some of the biggest items on his to-do list. And there is a growing sense that he is trying to tackle too much too soon.

The number of people who think Obama can improve the economy is down a sobering 19 percentage points from the euphoric days just before his inauguration. Ditto for
expectations about creating jobs.

Also down significantly: the share of people who think he can reduce the deficit, remove troops from Iraq and improve respect for the U.S. around the world, all slipping 15 points.

On overhauling health care, a signature issue for Obama, hopes for success are down a lesser six points.

Add it all up, and does it mean Obama has lost his mojo? Has yes-we-can morphed into maybe?

''I think it's just reality,'' said Sandy Smith, a 48-year-old public-relations worker from Los Angeles. ''He's not Superman, right?''

Slip in approval

Indeed, it's not unusual for approval ratings to slide once presidents actually get to work. They're pulled down by things going on in the real world, by people who don't agree with the ways they're addressing problems, by criticism from political opponents.

In Obama's case, the problems he's confronting domestically and internationally are legion, and his ability to blame them on his predecessor is fading. Challenges still abound in Iraq and Afghanistan. Unemployment, at 7.6 percent in January, hit 9.5 percent in June and is expected to keep rising well into next year. Almost 4 percent of homeowners with mortgages are in foreclosure, and an additional 8 percent are at least a month behind on payments — the highest levels since the Great Depression.

The president is deep into the debate over how to overhaul the nation's health-care system, and people are nervous about how their insurance could be affected. Obama's critics are accusing him of conducting a risky ''grand experiment'' that will hurt the economy and could force millions to drop their coverage.

It's all taking a toll on expectations. The number of people who think it's realistic to expect at least some noticeable improvement in the economy during Obama's first year in office dropped from 27 percent in January to 16 percent in the latest survey.

Personal views

There's been slippage, as well, in how people view the president personally, although he's still well regarded. About two-thirds now think he understands the problems of ordinary Americans, down from 81 percent in January. Sixty-nine percent think he's a strong leader, off from 78 percent before the inauguration.

''He doesn't know enough about any of this,'' said Michelle Kelsey, a 37-year-old student in Breckenridge, Mo., who gives Obama a three for leadership on a 10-point scale. But then again, Kelsey said, ''Nobody could have done better.''

''I just feel like people haven't given him enough time. It's going to take longer for the economy to come around.''

In an interview aired Tuesday on The CBS Evening News, Obama linked high poll numbers to inaction.

''The easiest way to keep your poll numbers up, and to garner good press, is to do not that much here in this town, and not to cause a lot of controversy. And there's some people who would probably advise that that's the approach you should take. But that's not why the American people sent me here. They sent me here to solve problems,'' he said.

Congress unpopular

It's not just Obama who's feeling the drag. Approval of Congress — already low — has gotten lower, slipping 6 percentage points to 32 percent.

Overall, the number of people who think the country is going in the wrong direction hit 54 percent in the latest AP-GfK poll, up from 46 percent in June.

That's not necessarily surprising. In years past, the public has tended to be more pessimistic than optimistic about the country's future. Recent exceptions have been short-lived, at the start of the Iraq war, after the Sept. 11 attacks in 2001, after the capture of Saddam Hussein and late in the Clinton administration.

Perhaps most troubling for Obama might be where he is losing ground. His approval rating was down nine points among Americans overall but 20 percent among independents. Similarly, the increase in those who think the country is headed in the wrong direction came mostly from independents and Democrats.

Dissatisfaction among independents grew disproportionately on Obama's handling of a range of issues, including the economy, taxes, unemployment, the environment and more.

Independents are ''the ones to watch,'' according to Professor Robert Shapiro, a Columbia University expert on public opinion. ''The Republicans were more pessimistic from the outset. The Democrats are going to be more resistant to negative information.''

Overall, Obama still can feel good about a 55 percent approval rating, Shapiro said, but ''the fact that it is on the downswing is something to be concerned about. That's going to affect how members of Congress, and in particular people in his own party, may respond to him.''

The AP-GfK Poll was conducted July 16-20 by GfK Roper Public Affairs & Media. It involved interviews on landlines and cell phones with 1,006 adults nationwide. The survey had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points.
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That's what confuses me the most about all this. Romneycare was an unmitigated disaster. Why would anyone in their right mind want to copy it on the national level?
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That's what confuses me the most about all this. Romneycare was an unmitigated disaster. Why would anyone in their right mind want to copy it on the national level?
Because the word "FREE" is associated with it, even though most of know it really isn't.
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Obama: 'The easiest way to keep your poll numbers up, and to garner good press, is to do not that much here in this town, and not to cause a lot of controversy. And there's some people who would probably advise that that's the approach you should take. But that's not why the American people sent me here. They sent me here to solve problems,'' he said.

Not doing much, at this point, would be a vast improvement over trying to do EVERYTHING, and wrecking most of it along the way.
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My mom once told me never to turn down anything that was free. But as I grew up I noticed that there is usually a reason its free. It aint worth a damn.
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Looking at his statement, I have to reconsider: He said "To get good press, you have to not do much".

That makes sense now. He did virtually nothing before being elected, and he's had the best press of any sitting president in history, at least since the press developed a critical eye for politicians.
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Looking at his statement, I have to reconsider: He said "To get good press, you have to not do much".

That makes sense now. He did virtually nothing before being elected, and he's had the best press of any sitting president in history, at least since the press developed a critical eye for politicians.
Not just him. Has there ever been anyone who served as long in the Senate as Biden with so little to show for it? I've challenged Palin-haters on several boards to name even one thing Biden accomplished in his Senate career and I've never gotten an answer.
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Not just him. Has there ever been anyone who served as long in the Senate as Biden with so little to show for it? I've challenged Palin-haters on several boards to name even one thing Biden accomplished in his Senate career and I've never gotten an answer.
He's done one thing well: Gotten re-elected.

He was brought on board the Obama campaign for the worst reasons: He was the counterweight to McCain on the Russian invasion of Georgia. That told me a lot about the way their campaign worked, in that the quick and politically expedient answer was more important than long-term policy. In essence, get elected at ANY cost and then "Change the World", and we'll deal with the Biden thing later...

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