The me first, forget everyone else crowd:

[JackHammer]

Originally Posted by Preacher

Talk about disappointment,

I thought I was going to read something about unions. You know, those people who make 40-70 bucks an hour for a 20-30 dollar an hour job and drive the cost of their products out of the reach of the average American family.

Oh well.

Of course if it wasn't for corporations exploiting labor, the unions may have never came about in the first place.

[Preacher]

Originally Posted by JackHammer

Of course if it wasn't for corporations exploiting labor, the unions may have never came about in the first place.

Yep... a hundred plus years ago. Historically I have no problem with them. They were a necessary evil. Today however, is a completely different story.

[JackHammer]

Originally Posted by Preacher

Yep... a hundred plus years ago. Historically I have no problem with them. They were a necessary evil. Today however, is a completely different story.

Whether or not they're a necessary evil is another argument that has good points on both sides of the issue. In general, there is no broad answer. I know that's hard for the pro/anti Union people to hear, but it's true. There are instances today where unions are absolutely necessary. Likewise there are instances where they're not necessary. To say that the answer is clean cut one way or the other is ridiculous and it throws logic out of the window.

[J Dogg]

Originally Posted by Preacher

Yep... a hundred plus years ago. Historically I have no problem with them. They were a necessary evil. Today however, is a completely different story.

No it's not. Look at what companies do to illegals who worl for them. They pay them less than minimum wage and extent no benefits whatsoever. Look at the part time employees at almost any big box store.

Unions still need to exist.

[The Patriot]

Originally Posted by Preacher

Talk about disappointment,

I thought I was going to read something about unions. You know, those people who make 40-70 bucks an hour for a 20-30 dollar an hour job and drive the cost of their products out of the reach of the average American family.

Oh well.

Look, if you're a factory worker or a coal miner, you deserve to have a union and a pension. If your a wealthy hirer-up in a major corporation, then no. Nobody deserves to receive millions of dollars a year after they retire.

[tony hipchest]

Originally Posted by J Dogg

I have always detested the far left wing of my party. Guys like Tony, The Patriot, and SteelTalons. They're the ones who serve as loyal foot soldiers of the agenda of the time. I fully support the Blue Dogs and their insistence that we have the best possible plan for reform as we move forward.

lol. silly newb...

ive always 'detested' internet blowhards who stomp their feet the hardest, therefore think they know the mostest.

atleast were on even ground (although you need an elevator to reach it).

[7SteelGal43]

Originally Posted by tony hipchest

lol. silly newb...

ive always 'detested' internet blowhards who stomp their feet the hardest, therefore think they know the mostest.

atleast were on even ground (although you need an elevator to reach it).

Keep it up Tony, runnin your mouth with that typical liberal smug attitude....I'm lovin every minute of it. You Libs are gonna find out in the next 2 election cycles that you do not own the Democrat party.

[Hammer Of The GODS]

Is that the sound of a struck nerve I hear?


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[Preacher]

Originally Posted by J Dogg

No it's not. Look at what companies do to illegals who worl for them. They pay them less than minimum wage and extent no benefits whatsoever. Look at the part time employees at almost any big box store.

Unions still need to exist.

Nope.

There are already laws against illegals working for companies. What needs to happen is ENFORCEMENT of those laws.

Part time employees? Great. Organize all part time employees at

[Preacher]

Originally Posted by The Patriot

Look, if you're a factory worker or a coal miner, you deserve to have a union and a pension. If your a wealthy hirer-up in a major corporation, then f**k no. Nobody deserves to receive millions of dollars a year after they retire.

Why? Labor relations already provide the laws necessary. 401k funds are much better than any "pension" from a union that ends up providing a joke of a check to its employees (yeah, I watch those 200 dollar checks coming in to my friends parents.

The problem I have is with, say, the UAW. For YEARS, they would target one auto company, say, Ford. They would get as many concessions out of Ford as possible. Then, they would go over to Chevy and say, "See what Ford did? You will give us that PLUS this." THen, they would go over to Dodge and say . . ., or we are all going on strike.

Now, the big three are so screwed its is sad. The problem? The manager/employee relationship is SO poisoned that neither wants to help the other.

No way, no how, no thank you.

I have lived most of my life away from unions, negotiated my own jobs with benefits and salaries apart from unions. Survived just fine. Had one job where I was part of a union. Hated the job, it was the worst setup, the worst when it came to pay, and the worst when it came to benefits, days off and manager employee relationships.

Today, in probably 90% of situations, unions are more the problem than the solution.