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Old 08-13-2009, 12:43 AM   #31
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So do the people supporting Obamacare have the fortitude to deny illegals health care since they are specifically not covered. Or are they going to get coverage under some mandate that no one go without. Saying they aren't covered, and not giving them medical care that someone has to pay for are two ENTIRELY different animals.
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A simple fix. Give the border agents the shoot to kill order. That should slow them down and the drug trafficking.
that or a 300 yard buffer zone heavily laced with mines.... if you make it.. welcome to the usa...

Rancher who rounded up border crossers on trial

A federal jury in Arizona is deciding if a ranch owner can detain illegal immigrants he caught on his land.
Arizona rancher Roger Barnett, 64, owner of the 22,000-acre Cross Rail Ranch near Douglas, Ariz, is one defendent in a $32 milllion civil rights trial brought by 16 Mexican citizens he detained at gunpoint in March 2007.
"This is my land. I'm the victim here,'' Barnett told the Washington Times.

Barnett acknowledged detaining over 12,000 illegal immigrants on his ranch and turning them over to the Border Patrol since 1998, when border enforcement operations began to funnel illegal crossers to remote areas. He told the Times he was protecting his property from illegal immigrants who had killed calves, destroyed fences, gates and water pumps, and broken into his home.

Along the Texas-Mexico border, confrontations between ranchers and illegal immigrants have a long and tragic history. Since 1999, there have been a half-dozen shootings of Mexican immigrants by property owners or ranch hands along the border, some of them accidential and others intentional.
In 2004, a San Antonio energy company owner agreed to a $15 million settlement for the family of a 24-year-old Mexican man killed by a worker on his 17,000-acre ranch east of Laredo. The ranch worker, later indicted on manslaughter charges, claimed he was hunting and mistook the illegal immigrant who was crossing the border for a wild hog.
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thats just it...they DON'T wanna get rid of them !!! giving them a ride to the border doesn't do a damn bit of good considering they just turn around and climb right back under the fence. the FIRST thing they need to do is plug up the holes that they get through before wasting time by deporting.they don't need a fence, they need a 3 foot thick 20 ft high concrete wall with NATIONAL GUARD walking on it like they do at prisons, with surviellence cameras and motion sencors... and the check point personel needs to be rotated freaquently to make it more difficult for them to find the corrupt ones that take bribes.
then they need to start focusing on the people who hire them and revamp the system as far as identification when seeking employment...they don't have to look for them to deport them. cut off thier source of income and they'll leave on thier own.
Ya know the really sad part ? From what I understand, funding and legislation has been in place for a long time do to most of the things you mentioned. So why the hell hasn't it been done ?

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Well, here's a thought. If things continue to worsen in the US, they may go back to Mexico on their own. Hell, maybe US citizens will start sneaking into Mexico? Nationalize healthcare and see the US take yet another step towards second-tier nation status...
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