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Old 08-25-2009, 03:44 PM   #11
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I am too...anybody read about the Israeli dude who supposedly sold his kidney in NY for 20k?

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...idney0819.html
I hadn't seen that before---but I must admit that I am very skeptical. I certainly haven't seen the video, either. But, even if I had, I would remain skeptical. There is much more to transplanting an organ than "here's a kidney, put it in me".

It is much more complex than "Both patients were blood type O". I don't want to bore anybody with all of it, but anyone interested can google "HLA testing" and get a better understanding of determining if a potential organ is a "match" for the recipient. It seems very unlikely that he put an article in a paper "Wanted--your kidney" and someone responded, was able to convince doctors (in Israel) to perform numerous, very expensive, HLA tests because he wanted to give someone his kidney for money(on the so-called Black Market). Supposing all of that actually happened, what is the likelihood that he actually was an HLA match? Not very likely. It's like rolling 10 dice and expecting all sixes.

Let's, for the sake of argument, say

1) that he (the alleged donor) was able to get all of the pre-tansplantation testing done in Israel (by the way, for living donors he would also need a renal ultrasound and renal scan to prove that the kidney that would remain would function adequately enough after the loss of the donated kidney, among other tests----all very expensive for someone to get in any country; why would they do it in Israel? How did he convince the docs over there to perform all of those tests without a good reason? I don't think "I'm planning to sell my kidney to someone in the US" would have convinced anyone that the tests should be performed).

2) that he was the Perfect blood type, HLA, and minor antigen (don't want to get any more complex) match----how did he convince doctors in the US to remove the kidney? The doc had to know that this was a bit shady...that the tests were all performed in Israel, etc. The procurement of transplant organs is very strictly regulated, for good reason...did a reputable transplant surgeon just throw all care to the wind and decide to risk his/her whole career for one patient who was on dialysis anyway (in absolutely no risk of imminent death)?

3) did the hospital where the operation was allegedly performed agree to it? One does not "sneak" a patient into the OR and take out a kidney (then turn around and put it into another person...). Which also brings up the point that there is a finite time limit for transplanting an organ---the clock begins ticking the instant the blood supply to the organ that is to be transplanted is tied off------ticktock ticktock----it MUST be transplanted and the blood supply restored or it will die. This requires quite a bit of planning and coordination between the OR teams and the 2 surgeons (the one harvesting the organ and the one transplanting it)---so, actually, two surgeons had to risk their careers because of this shady operation

I'm very skeptical-----it would be much easier to come up with this craziness and fake the video and news story than it would be to actually do it

maybe I'm wrong---but I doubt it
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Old 08-25-2009, 03:52 PM   #12
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I'm an organ donor also.
I also heard that skin can be used to help burn victims?
Yes----cadaveric skin is used for skin grafting in patients who have severe, extensive burns that don't have enough normal (unburned) skin of their own to use. It's not technically a "transplant" because donor-recipient matching isn't necessary. The cadaveric skin is skin-grafted over the burned area and provides a good "covering" to prevent fluid and protein losses thru the burned area. The cadaveric skin is ultimately "rejected" by the recipients body, and sloughs off (like a large scab). But , by the time that happens, the patient's own skin is re-growing underneath
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Yes----cadaveric skin is used for skin grafting in patients who have severe, extensive burns that don't have enough normal (unburned) skin of their own to use. It's not technically a "transplant" because donor-recipient matching isn't necessary. The cadaveric skin is skin-grafted over the burned area and provides a good "covering" to prevent fluid and protein losses thru the burned area. The cadaveric skin is ultimately "rejected" by the recipients body, and sloughs off (like a large scab). But , by the time that happens, the patient's own skin is re-growing underneath
Man, I'll bet that ITCHES when the patient's skin is growing back, huh?
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Man, I'll bet that ITCHES when the patient's skin is growing back, huh?


Never even entered my mind... but yeah, I bet it would too!!
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Man, I'll bet that ITCHES when the patient's skin is growing back, huh?
Made me laugh, too...but, in all seriousness---probably not. Those that are burned badly enough to require cadaveric skin grafts are generally in exquisite pain and fighting for their lives. If it does itch I'm guessing the patients don't even notice it
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I truly commend everyone who so unselfishly donates their organs at death so that someone else can live!

I used to be an organ donor until after the second cancer, chemo and radiation. My oncologist told me that it wouldn't be feasible for me to donate most of my organs because of all of the radiation and chemo I had both in 1996 and again in 2002. I felt really sad about that.
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Old 08-25-2009, 06:16 PM   #17
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I truly commend everyone who so unselfishly donates their organs at death so that someone else can live!

I used to be an organ donor until after the second cancer, chemo and radiation. My oncologist told me that it wouldn't be feasible for me to donate most of my organs because of all of the radiation and chemo I had both in 1996 and again in 2002. I felt really sad about that.
First off, for being a survivor b/c cancer SUCKS. Can you donate your body for cancer research?

Oh, yeah. I'm a donor as well.
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Yes I am a donor. Wont need the organs after I die, if someone can live due to my death then I'm all for it.
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im a donor as well, really dont understand why everyone doesnt donate
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im a donor as well, really dont understand why everyone doesnt donate
Some people and some religions (I think Jehovah's Witnesses,for example) consider it to be a Desecration of the Body

(and, anybody please correct me if I am wrong about Jehovah's Witnesses...)
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