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Old 09-06-2009, 11:04 PM   #1
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Harris: Tomlin delivers mixed messages
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt...s_641932.html#
By John Harris
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Monday, September 7, 2009

This isn't about the Steelers releasing Anthony Madison, a 27-year-old cornerback who was a corner in name only but the heart and soul of the special teams.

One-dimensional NFL players no matter how much they bring to the team in their specialized area are living on borrowed time if they weren't drafted or recommended personally by the head coach. Especially if they're scheduled to earn $1.01 million just for playing special teams.

No, this is about coach Mike Tomlin speaking with a forked tongue about the importance of special teams.

You can earn a job just by playing on special teams, Tomlin tells his players.

He forgot to tell them: Only don't make too much money.

Madison and others such as Donovan Woods and Carey Davis believed Tomlin's hype. Last year, they helped turn what had been a poor special-teams unit into one of the best in the league. Madison led the Steelers with 25 special-teams tackles.

No matter. All three were released Friday. On Sunday, the Steelers signed Woods to the practice squad.

Madison's biggest problem was that he became too good and too expensive.

After he signed as a restricted free agent, it seemed like a great story. Not only can you make an NFL roster strictly because of special teams, you can also be paid a decent wage.

Then again, maybe not.

Madison's release wasn't about his ability to play special teams. This was a money issue. So, Madison had to go.

Madison's departure means that rookie cornerbacks Keenan Lewis and Joe Burnett, the Steelers' third- and fifth-round picks, will be pressed into special teams action.

But if Lewis and Burnett were so good on special teams, why weren't they playing with the first unit during preseason instead of Madison?

Madison wasn't drafted and was on the roster when Tomlin arrived. Lewis and Burnett are draft picks from Tomlin's era. If they do well, he looks good.

So far, Lewis has been somewhat of a disappointment. A big corner whom defensive backs coach Ray Horton said is similar to starter Ike Taylor, Lewis was beaten for so many long pass plays during training camp mostly by fellow rookie Mike Wallace that he should have been nicknamed Highway 20 (his uniform number).

Based on early returns, it appears that Lewis had as much business going in the third round as did former linebacker Bruce Davis, last year's third-round pick who was also released Friday.

Davis was one of Tomlin's guys who didn't pan out. By releasing Madison because of his contract, the Steelers could be setting a bad precedent.

John Harris can be reached at jharris@tribweb.com or 412-481-5432.
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Old 09-06-2009, 11:21 PM   #2
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What a crap article. No player should be making a million bucks just to play special teams, no matter how good they are. Besides, they still have Keyaron Fox and Patrick Bailey, and I'm sure Frank Summers will be playing special teams as well. And I see that Madison as of yet has not hooked on with another team. If he does, I will guaran-damn-tee you he will not make a million bucks.
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Old 09-06-2009, 11:35 PM   #3
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What a crap article. No player should be making a million bucks just to play special teams, no matter how good they are. Besides, they still have Keyaron Fox and Patrick Bailey, and I'm sure Frank Summers will be playing special teams as well. And I see that Madison as of yet has not hooked on with another team. If he does, I will guaran-damn-tee you he will not make a million bucks.
Even outside of that entire debate, WTF does he want Tomlin to do? We have to a cap to fit under and positional needs as well. Sometimes you have to cut a specialist for a position player that can play ST's. That's just the way it is.
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Default Re: Harris: Tomlin delivers mixed messages

Crap article.

You have 53 roster spots and around 80 guys in camp.

Every year a team can draft up to possibly 10 players. Every team would like to sign every player they draft and then place that player on the 53 man roster. Draft picks are considered more valuable than undrafted free agents. So when you have to choose between a drafted player and a UDFA (current or former), if it's close you take the player you drafted.

Madison was good, but he couldn't play on the defense, at least not without quite a few injuries to the guys in front of him. Wallace and Burnett both could be very good players at their positions.

Not to mention the Steelers placed Stefan Logan on the 53 man roster, and he's almost strictly a return specialist. So he takes a spot to basically play only special teams.

Not to mention Jeff Reed at kicker, Daniel Sepulveda at punter, and Greg Warren at long snapper...that's a total of four players for just special teams.

The Steelers still need backups for 22 positions on offense and defense, guys who can actually play a lick of football at those positions. For a three deep at each position, you would need a roster of 66....but Tomlin had to choose 53.

Anthony Madison was signed and made the team originally because of his special teams. It was with the hope that he could develop into at least a defensive back who can play in the quarter defense. He never did.

It wasn't a lie from Tomlin, he speaks with no "forked tongue". You can make a roster with special teams play, but you stick for a long period of time by developing into a player who can be used in ways other than special teams.

Madison was the victim of a numbers game and the game of football it's self.
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Crap article.

You have 53 roster spots and around 80 guys in camp.

Every year a team can draft up to possibly 10 players. Every team would like to sign every player they draft and then place that player on the 53 man roster. Draft picks are considered more valuable than undrafted free agents. So when you have to choose between a drafted player and a UDFA (current or former), if it's close you take the player you drafted.

Madison was good, but he couldn't play on the defense, at least not without quite a few injuries to the guys in front of him. Wallace and Burnett both could be very good players at their positions.

Not to mention the Steelers placed Stefan Logan on the 53 man roster, and he's almost strictly a return specialist. So he takes a spot to basically play only special teams.

Not to mention Jeff Reed at kicker, Daniel Sepulveda at punter, and Greg Warren at long snapper...that's a total of four players for just special teams.

The Steelers still need backups for 22 positions on offense and defense, guys who can actually play a lick of football at those positions. For a three deep at each position, you would need a roster of 66....but Tomlin had to choose 53.

Anthony Madison was signed and made the team originally because of his special teams. It was with the hope that he could develop into at least a defensive back who can play in the quarter defense. He never did.

It wasn't a lie from Tomlin, he speaks with no "forked tongue". You can make a roster with special teams play, but you stick for a long period of time by developing into a player who can be used in ways other than special teams.

Madison was the victim of a numbers game and the game of football it's self.

Very well stated! You should email this to him.
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Old 09-07-2009, 02:06 AM   #6
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Saying Keenan Lewis had no business being a 3rd rounder and praising Wallace? I understand praising Wallace, but didn't the experts also say that Wallace, like Lewis, had no business being a 3rd round pick? He was a 4th-5th round talent according to the experts and look how wrong they look about that right now.

I haven't noticed Keenan Lewis much in the preseason and I don't think that's a bad thing. I do see what the Steelers saw in him size/speed etc. I thought he played really well against Carolina and I haven't noticed QB's picking on him anywhere near as much as Joe Burnett.

Harris was at camp, though and I'll believe him when he says Lewis struggled in some drills at camp etc. but who cares? He's a rookie. Ike Taylor struggled so much early in his career that he got put on waivers and he panned out okay.
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Davis was one of Tomlin's guys who didn't pan out. By releasing Madison because of his contract, the Steelers could be setting a bad precedent.
Note to Harris: Take a look around Bud, pick up a newspaper and read it, watch the evening news, something, ANYTHING! The ENTIRE corporate world is making cuts and saving money wherever and however they can. At least the Steelers aren't cutting jobs, they're simply replacing a few employees with lower paid employees. And you say that's setting a bad precedent? Keep it real Bud or your employer may be replacing you.
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Default Re: Harris: Tomlin delivers mixed messages

why should u make money if ur one dimensional? first of all we didnt have one of the best special teams units, we had bad specials teams, well have better this year with logan and others
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What I REALLY don't like about the article is the subtle hint that this move was actually made because Madison was a Cowher guy and Lewis is a Tomlin guy.

Nice "journalism"
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I think this happens on just about every team. You have a special teamer who you hope can excel at another position but, just does not pan out.
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