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Old 09-14-2009, 09:50 AM   #1
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Default Charles Krauthammer DESTROYS Van Jones...

Notice how, unlike Maureen Dowd, who is just nasty and mean-spirited, Krauth destroys the guy without really having to hit below the belt...he mostly just dismisses him as being a goofy kook (EXCEPT for the truther thing) and just let's the guy hang himself with his own self-admitted misguided beliefs and politics...(although I do admire the extremely thinly veiled dig at Noam Chomsky...he did everything BUT name him by name)

http://www.ohio.com/editorial/commentary/59158007.html

Van Jones, a certifiable 'truther' By Charles Krauthammer
Washington Post

Published on Sunday, Sep 13, 2009
WASHINGTON: So Van Jones, the defenestrated White House green-jobs czar, once called Republicans ''a—holes.'' Big deal. I've said worse about Democrats. I've said worse about Republicans. I've said worse about members of my family (you know who you are).
How prissy have we become? Are we allowed no salt in our linguistic diets?
Having once written a column praising Vice President Cheney's pithy deployment of the F-word — on the floor of the Senate, no less — I rise in defense of Jones. True, Jones' particular choice of epithet had none of the one-syllable concision, the onomatopoeic suggestiveness, the explosive charm of Cheney's. But you don't fire a guy for style.
Another charge was that Jones was a self-proclaimed communist. I can't get too excited about this, either. In today's America, to be a communist is a pose, not a conviction. After the Soviet collapse, Marxism is a relic, a pathetic anachronism reduced to its last redoubts: North Korea, Cuba and the English departments of the more expensive American universities.
In any case, every administration is allowed a couple of wing nuts among its 8,000 appointees. As long as they're not in charge of foreign policy or the Fed, who cares?
Other critics are scandalized that Jones once accused ''white environmentalists'' of ''essentially steering poison into the people of colored communities.''
In fact, from a global perspective, Jones is right. Environmentalists — overwhelmingly white and middle/upper class — have blocked drilling offshore and in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. From where do you think the world gets the missing oil? From the poor, exploited, poisoned people of the Niger Delta, the Amazon Basin and other infinitely less-regulated and infinitely dirtier regions of the Third World.
Affluent enviros are all for wind farms, until one is proposed that might mar the serenity of a sail from the crew-necked precincts near Nantucket Sound. Then it's clean energy for thee, not for me.
Jones' genius as an ideological entrepreneur was to mine white liberal anxiety — they are quite aware of their own NIMBY hypocrisy — by selling them the ''green jobs'' shtick to reconcile class/racial guilt with environmental enthusiasm, thus making them feel better about themselves.
That's why Jones rose so far. That's why he was such a ''progressive'' star. That's why, as top Obama adviser Valerie Jarrett put it, ''we've been watching him'' and were so eager to recruit him to the White House.
In the White House no more. Why? He's gone for one reason and one reason only. You can't sign a petition demanding not one but four investigations of the charge that the Bush administration deliberately allowed 9/11 — i.e., collaborated in the worst massacre ever perpetrated on American soil — and be permitted in polite society, let alone have a high-level job in the White House.
Unlike the other stuff (see above), this is no trivial matter. It's beyond radicalism, beyond partisanship. It takes us into the realm of political psychosis, a malignant paranoia that, unlike the Marxist posturing, is not amusing. It's dangerous. In America, movements and parties are required to police their extremes. Bill Buckley did that with Birchers. Liberals need to do that with ''truthers.''
You can no more have a truther in the White House than you can have a Holocaust denier — a person who creates a hallucinatory alternative reality in the service of a fathomless malice.
But reality doesn't daunt Jones' defenders. One Obama administration source told ABC that Jones hadn't read the 2004 petition carefully enough, an excuse echoed by Howard Dean.
Carefully enough? It demanded the investigation of charges ''that people within the current (Bush) administration may indeed have deliberately allowed 9/11 to happen, perhaps as a pretext for war.''
Where is the confusing fine print? Where is the syntactical complexity? Where is the perplexing ambiguity? An eighth-grader could tell you exactly what it means. A Yale Law School graduate could not?
No need to worry about Jones, however. Great career move. He's gone from marginal loon to liberal martyr. His speaking fees have just doubled. It's only a matter of time before he gets his own show on MSNBC.
But on the eighth anniversary of 9/11 — a day when there were no truthers among us, just Americans struck dumb by the savagery of what had been perpetrated on their innocent fellow citizens — a decent respect for the memory of that day requires that truthers, who derangedly desecrate it, be asked politely to leave. By everyone.

Krauthammer is a Washington Post columnist. He can be e-mailed letters@charleskrauthammer.com.
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After the Soviet collapse, Marxism is a relic, a pathetic anachronism reduced to its last redoubts: North Korea, Cuba and the English departments of the more expensive American universities.

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You know, there's actually nothing wrong with that either...when I was in school we were lucky to have Sheldon Liss teach there...he was extremely liberal, had met and admired Fidel Castro, and may have been one of the foremost Latin American experts in the US. He was certain that Fidel Castro was a benevolent dictator, and talked about it in class all the time. He passed away in '94, and was one of my favorite professors, BUT I didn't simply except everything he said simply because he had a PhD and taught at Notre Dame and was a published author....I listened to what he said and thought about it and formed my OWN opinions based on his knowledge.

I don't know, but I suspect, that he was a communist...but on a college campus, where the life of the mind should be the highest pursuit, that's fine. That's theory...I look to the real world for what kind of political philosophy to most effectively practice.

Communism is a perfect thing to admire as a Utopian pipe dream, and it crumbles into dust the second it leaves campus and is applies in reality...
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You know, there's actually nothing wrong with that either...when I was in school we were lucky to have Sheldon Liss teach there...he was extremely liberal, had met and admired Fidel Castro, and may have been one of the foremost Latin American experts in the US. He was certain that Fidel Castro was a benevolent dictator, and talked about it in class all the time. He passed away in '94, and was one of my favorite professors, BUT I didn't simply except everything he said simply because he had a PhD and taught at Notre Dame and was a published author....I listened to what he said and thought about it and formed my OWN opinions based on his knowledge.

I don't know, but I suspect, that he was a communist...but on a college campus, where the life of the mind should be the highest pursuit, that's fine. That's theory...I look to the real world for what kind of political philosophy to most effectively practice.

Communism is a perfect thing to admire as a Utopian pipe dream, and it crumbles into dust the second it leaves campus and is applies in reality...
Unfortunately it doesn't always crumble into dust the second it leaves campus. Many of the students leave there with the mind of the professor rather than a mind of their own. Professors should stick to theory, principals, facts, data.......not opinion. IMO.
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Unfortunately it doesn't always crumble into dust the second it leaves campus. Many of the students leave there with the mind of the professor rather than a mind of their own. Professors should stick to theory, principals, facts, data.......not opinion. IMO.
I completely agree. Unforunately this applies even at the elementary level,when immature teachers see the opportunity to indoctinate children. When my son was in 4th grade he came home and asked if George Bush was the worst President in history, because that was what his teacher told him. I was in the Principals office very soon afterwards and asked him to show me that statement in the history book they were using and if he couldnt then if it was an appropriate part of the curriculum.

He called the teacher in who immediately started talkiing about her "right" to opinion...and I quickly reminded her that a 4th grade classroom is not the correct forum to belittle a standing President and that her opinion was worth less then her responsibility to show the students civil responsibility towards the standing President. Believe it or not, the Principal agreed with me and i recieved a written letter of apology from the teacher. (heartfelt, I'm sure)
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As far as communism goes, it's shelf life is going to turn out to be about 100 years from start to finish (Cuba's slipping, and N. Korea is the last real stalwart)...so even if young minds walk away thinking it's great, that's, well....great, because it's got no practical real world application anymore...

I'd say this brainwashing in re man-made global warming is the main concern I have as far as garbage taught in school. It's presented as a 100% fully proven fact in schools by 95% of the teachers, with absolutely ZERO contrary evidence even mentioned...these kids have a lot of unlearning to do.

I was fairly concerned when my girlfriends 13 year old asked me the other day "So YOU believe in that 'we all came from monkeys' thing?", to which I replied "You don't?".

Her answer was no...she doesn't really go to church, so they MUST be teaching ID and/or creationism in their school, which is, um...not good, not good...junk science an one hand and fairy tales on the other...no wonder we continue to drop like a rock in the educational rankings of the World...
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I was fairly concerned when my girlfriends 13 year old asked me the other day "So YOU believe in that 'we all came from monkeys' thing?", to which I replied "You don't?".

Her answer was no...she doesn't really go to church, so they MUST be teaching ID and/or creationism in their school, ...
That is an assumption...

And anyway..."Teaching" and presenting opposing point of views are two different things. You know better and are baiting people.

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That is an assumption...

And anyway..."Teaching" and presenting opposing point of views are two different things. You know better and are baiting people.

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She was formerly taught in science about evolution, but now she's being taught ID...to the exclusion of all other theories...and, as a testament to the influence teachers have over kids this age, she believes in ID exclusively now.

My REAL question is, in this day and age, at a school that received a near perfect rating and is the best school in the county, and probably top 5 in the region, is she being taught ID in 8th grade?
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She was formerly taught in science about evolution, but now she's being taught ID...to the exclusion of all other theories...and, as a testament to the influence teachers have over kids this age, she believes in ID exclusively now.

My REAL question is, in this day and age, at a school that received a near perfect rating and is the best school in the county, and probably top 5 in the region, is she being taught ID in 8th grade?
Maybe I am missing something...but it appears that you are making the statement that she IS being taught ID...then you ASK if she is being taught ID.

Maybe its just early and my reading comprehension is off.
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Maybe I am missing something...but it appears that you are making the statement that she IS being taught ID...then you ASK if she is being taught ID.

Maybe its just early and my reading comprehension is off.
I wasn't sure until I asked her...I originally asked the question here more or less rhetorically (sort of woolgathering out loud), then asked her last night and confirmed it. It WAS rather obvious to me, since she has no other real outlet from which to be exposed to ID, but now I know...

Anyway, we have wondered far off the original path here...
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