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Old 09-16-2009, 09:01 AM   #1
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Default Against Healthcare Reform? You Support the Taliban, Then!

I almost can't believe my eyes...but it's true...the newest thrust form the left is that not supporting Obama and blindly signing whatever half-assed POS bill he spurts out means you support the terrorists. I guess, given the lows the left will stoop to, this should not be a surprise, but I'm sorry, I'm shocked by this...and Rubin is usually pretty good.

http://www.ohio.com/editorial/commentary/59429432.html

Unwitting aid to the Taliban By Trudy Rubin
Philadelphia Inquirer

Published on Wednesday, Sep 16, 2009
PHILADELPHIA: Are some Democratic legislators who are squabbling over health care secret supporters of the Taliban? Are some Republican legislators in cahoots with Iran's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad?



I'm dead serious when I ask those questions, as we pass another anniversary of 9/11. President Obama must make critical decisions this fall about policies toward Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran decisions forced on him early in his term because of wrongheaded policies by the previous administration.



Eight years after the twin towers fell, militant Islamists in all three countries are on a roll. They think the United States is on an economic and political downslide. Fearful at first of Obama because of his global appeal they now sense he may be done in at home by his own party, and by sharp Republican opposition.
''Both the internal and external signs of this Western liberal democracy show that it's approaching defeat and collapse,'' said top Ahmadinejad aide Mojtaba Samareh Hashemi last week, echoing past comments by his boss. I believe Hashemi is wrong. But psychology figures powerfully in the unwillingness of Iranians (or the Taliban) to compromise and we are giving them good reason to believe they are winning.



A U.S. president who fails on his signature issue health care won't have the strength and public support to deal with new challenges by Islamists. He will be seen at home and abroad as seriously weakened. Yet neither party seems much bothered by this threat.



Among Democrats, many liberals are so mesmerized by their allegiance to one provision of health care or another, that they fail to consider the consequences to an Obama presidency of failure. Many Democrats also doubt Obama's policy on Afghanistan. But I believe he can still make smart choices about troop levels, provided he isn't fatally wounded first by the politics of health care.



Yet such wounds are just what some Republicans hope to inflict. Republican Sen. Jim DeMint of South Carolina put it bluntly: ''If we're able to stop Obama on this (health care) it will be his Waterloo. It will break him.''



Never mind that the stunning challenges Obama faces regarding the Taliban result from eight years of neglect of Afghanistan by the previous president in favor of Iraq. ''President Bush had eight years to build up an Afghan army, to invest in agriculture and jobs there, and he didn't do it,'' says Ahmed Rashid, one of the world's leading experts on the Taliban.



And never mind that Republicans like Sens. Lindsay Graham and John McCain are supporting the president on the Afghan issue. The lure of the DeMint scenario seems to have blinded much of the GOP to the dangers that slash-and-burn politics pose to our policy abroad.



So, for those Democrats and Republicans whose narrow focus puts our foreign policy at risk, let me lay out those dangers:
As our top military brass have bluntly said, things are getting worse in Afghanistan. I needn't remind you this is the country in which the 9/11 tragedy was hatched.



Afghan Taliban are gaining ground, Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida still plot inside their Pakistani safe haven, and Pakistani jihadis are trying to destabilize a country with nukes and to provoke a war with India, which also has nuclear arms.



Any U.S. hope of improving the situation requires a reversal in the current victor mentality of Taliban adherents. The U.S. military hopes to achieve this by demonstrating our commitment to secure and aid Afghans, even as we train up the Afghan army to replace us. If the Taliban is convinced of our commitment, chances rise that we can peel off mid- and low-level members who are in the fight for money or jobs.



But if the Taliban believe we, and Obama, are weak, they will refuse to bargain. Similarly, so long as Iranian leaders believe that our democracy is approaching collapse, they will feel confident in refusing to negotiate about their nuclear program and flouting Obama's September deadline for them to do so.
The same top Ahmadinejad aide who predicted America's fall said Iran will not even talk about halting its uranium enrichment program.



This leaves Obama with two choices: trying to rally the U.N. Security Council around new sanctions, which will be made all the more difficult if the world perceives him as failing at home; or turning to military action. His options might expand if he were strengthened at home.



So legislators on both sides of the aisle should start thinking beyond their narrow self-interest. If Democrats fail to find a health-care compromise they may doom their president's foreign policy, and their own reelection chances. They will certainly be helping the Taliban, by undercutting Obama's ability to craft a policy that could save Afghanistan.



If Republicans adopt the South Carolina approach don't fight on policy, fight to destroy Obama they'll undercut national security. Shouting ''You lie'' the words of South Carolinian Joe Wilson is easy and cheap. But do Republicans really want to give Ahmadinejad a boost?



George W. Bush's policies immeasurably strengthened Iran, and now we all must deal with the consequences. Isn't it time for some grown-up behavior on Capitol Hill?
Rubin is a columnist and editorial-board member for the Philadelphia Inquirer. She can be e-mailed at trubin@phillynews.com.
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Old 09-16-2009, 09:42 AM   #2
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Default Re: Against Healthcare Reform? You Support the Taliban, Then!

I didnt read the whole article the first line about made my head explode.
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Default Re: Against Healthcare Reform? You Support the Taliban, Then!

I started reading it (didn't read the whole thing), but that comes off as a parody of the people on the right who said anyone questioning Bush supported the terrorists.
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wow....
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Default Re: Against Healthcare Reform? You Support the Taliban, Then!

Interesting...talk about stretching your $hit thin...
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Default Re: Against Healthcare Reform? You Support the Taliban, Then!

Scraping the bottom of the barrel for excuses again. Remember also if you don't go along with Messiahs rantings your a racist too.

When I read that article the first thing to come to mind was this.....

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Default Re: Against Healthcare Reform? You Support the Taliban, Then!

The author paints himself as a partisan hack from the beginning. Not sure the rest of his arguments can be taken seriously.

Is he suggesting that we cave, and become subserviant to President Obama just so he'll look strong in the eyes of our enemies - the terrorists - ????
Good Grief.

I can't remember an example when Bush was Commander in Chief during a war against terrorists where any Conservative suggested anyone cave on domestic policy to create a look of a "Strong President". Did we repeat the mantra "support the troops" ? Damn right we did.

This Conservative is behind President Obama as Commander in Chief as he commits himself to remain strong in his resolve to find and capture Bin Laden. If he commits himself to fight and defeat terrorists, keep us safe from attacks, I'll support him in that effort 100%

But if the author thinks we should pretend to be supportive of domestic policy we are diametrically opposed too...........[expletive deleted] that.


EDIT: How 'bout this. How 'bout we show the world an America where we Support our Commander in Chief as he protects our country, AND at the same time, show them an America where you CAN voice opposition to his domestic policy without fearing for your life or freedom ?
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Default Re: Against Healthcare Reform? You Support the Taliban, Then!

It's a her...and Trudy Rubin is usually VERY solid on the middle east...she's there, knows the people and the culture, and has her ear to the rail. True, she hates Bush, but she usually is a little more staid in her approach to the partisan side of things.

This is very out of character for her...but also severely cripples her credibility when she gets back to reporting and prognosticating on reality...
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It's a her...and Trudy Rubin is usually VERY solid on the middle east...she's there, knows the people and the culture, and has her ear to the rail. True, she hates Bush, but she usually is a little more staid in her approach to the partisan side of things.

This is very out of character for her...but also severely cripples her credibility when she gets back to reporting and prognosticating on reality...
I'm not particularly familiar with her work, but that makes me even more convinced the article is satire.
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I don't believe she's capable of it...she's deadly serious...
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