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Old 09-18-2009, 02:57 AM   #1
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Default Let's talk some more Jerome Bettis ...

Jerome, as we all know, retired after the 2005 season ...

In 2005, Bettis recorded the following games ...

Game 5 JAX - 4 carries - 4 yards - 1.00 Y/A - 0 TD
Game 7 BAL - 8 carries - 22 yards - 2.75 Y/A - 0 TD
Game 9 CLE - 9 carries - 28 yards - 3.11 Y/A - 1 TD
Game 10 @BAL - 2 carries - 0 yards - 0.00 Y/A - 0 TD
Game 11 @IND - 6 carries - 9 yards - 1.50 Y/A - 0 TD
Game 12 CIN - 8 carries - 13 yards - 1.63 Y/A - 1 TD
Game 14 @MIN - 9 carries - 16 yards - 1.78 Y/A - 0 TD

Those 2005 Pittsburgh Steelers ranked 1st in the NFL in Attempts and 5th in Rushing Yards. They were a running team ... !!!

Oh, by the way ... the Super Bowl Steelers lost 4 of those games ... JAX, @BAL, @IND, CIN.

In 2004, Bettis recorded the following games ...

Game 1 OAK - 5 carries - 1 yard - 0.20 Y/A - 3 TD
Game 3 @MIA - 7 carries - 12 yards - 1.71 Y/A - 0 TD
Game 4 CIN - 6 carries - 9 yards - 1.50 Y/A - 2 TD
Game 5 CLE - 14 carries - 34 yards - 2.43 Y/A - 1 TD
Game 6 @DAL - 5 carries - 8 yards - 1.60 Y/A - 1 TD

In Bettis' final 2 NFL seasons, he had 12 games just like the this year's Week 1 opener against Tennessee ... you know? ... the game in which he blasted the Steelers rushing attack.

7 of those 12 games were home games at Heinz Field.

Oh, BTW ... the 2004 Pittsburgh Steelers ranked 1st in the NFL in Attempts and 2nd in Rushing Yards ... it seems they too were a running team ... !!!

In 2003, Bettis recorded the following games ...

Game 1 BAL - 4 rushes - 14 yards - 3.50 Y/A - 0 TD
Game 2 @ KAN - 4 rushes 7 yards - 1.75 Y/A - 0 TD
Game 4 TEN - 3 rushes - 6 yards - 2.00 Y/A - 0 TD
Game 5 CLE - 3 rushes - 8 yards - 2.67 Y/A - 1 TD
Game 6 @DEN - 14 rushes - 34 yards - 2.43 Y/A - 1 TD
Game 16 @BAL - 23 rushes - 54 yards - 2.35 Y/A - 0 TD

Let's see ... six (6) rather unproductive games for Bettis in 2003 ...

That's 18 regular season games over a three year stretch that Bettis threw up a bone just like the bone Parker and company threw up last week.

Shall I go on ... ???

In 2002, Bettis recorded the following games ...

Game 3 CLE - 14 rushes - 24 yards - 1.71 Y/A - 0 TD
Game 10 @TEN - 4 rushes - 6 yards - 1.50 Y/A - 0 TD
Game 13 HOU - 14 rushes - 30 yards - 2.14 Y/A - 0 TD

Bettis had 21 career games over his final 4 seasons where he laid an egg in the Steelers running game.

Did anyone proclaim that the Steelers couldn't run the football from 2002 through 2005 on account of those games?

2001

Did anyone accuse the Steelers of not being able to rush the football after Week 1, when Bettis rushed 12 times for a mere 28 yards at Jacksonville ... ???

2000

Did anyone accuse the Steelers of not being able to rush the football after Week 1, when Bettis rushed 9 times for 8 yards at home against Baltimore ... ???

1999

Game 5 @BUF - 13 rushes - 24 yards - 1.85 Y/A - 1 TD
Game 12 @JAX - 12 rushes - 23 yards - 1.92 Y/A - 0 TD

You see ... it happens ... !!! ... real bad rushing games rear their ugly heads once in a while ... in Bettis' case they were fairly regular.

1998

Bettis had six (6) games were he failed to average 3.0 yards per carry.

1995

Bettis had five (5) games were he failed to average 3.0 yard per carry.

All throughout Jerome Bettis' illustrious career he tallied games time amd again where he was stone-walled in the rushing game ...

Did anyone accuse Jerome Bettis of not being able to run the football ... ??? ... EVER ... ???

Hey Jerome ...

STFU ... !!!
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Old 09-18-2009, 03:23 AM   #2
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Oh this is going to get Goooooood! (Hey Tony H. Grab Poopie Pie Master, sit next to me and pass the pepsi. Let's watch this one together)!
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Oh this is going to get Goooooood! (Hey Tony H. Grab Poopie Pie Master, sit next to me and pass the pepsi. Let's watch this one together)!
Pass the popcorn...
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All that being said it seems I can only remember him running over Urlacher.LOL
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Old 09-18-2009, 04:23 AM   #5
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Did anyone accuse Jerome Bettis of not being able to run the football ... ??? ... EVER ... ???
i have

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Did anyone proclaim that the Steelers couldn't run the football from 2002 through 2005 on account of those games?
on those games alone? no, but i did say that based on the entire seasons. the steelers O-line has not improved since 2001. the talent pool is low across the O-line. note: the steelers' rushing attack in 2003 was the worst since 1969.

bettis got yards when the O-line gave him a hole. no hole pretty much meant no yards. same can be said for parker(as well as other RBs), but parker did look unusually slow and confused in the game vs. the titans.

IMO, the difference between bettis and parker is consistency in their runs. it seemed like bettis was more consistent as parker was more sporadic.

example:

with bettis the steelers' rushing attack would be something like 3,4,2,5,4,5,3,4,6,3,4...

with parker it was like 1,2,1,8,1,5,1,2,16,2,3...

now i haven't done an in-depth look at it, but to it seemed to go like that.

we'll just have to wait to see how future games this season turn out.
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Old 09-18-2009, 04:25 AM   #6
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Jerome, as we all know, retired after the 2005 season ...

In 2005, Bettis recorded the following games ...

Game 5 JAX - 4 carries - 4 yards - 1.00 Y/A - 0 TD
Game 7 BAL - 8 carries - 22 yards - 2.75 Y/A - 0 TD
Game 9 CLE - 9 carries - 28 yards - 3.11 Y/A - 1 TD
Game 10 @BAL - 2 carries - 0 yards - 0.00 Y/A - 0 TD
Game 11 @IND - 6 carries - 9 yards - 1.50 Y/A - 0 TD
Game 12 CIN - 8 carries - 13 yards - 1.63 Y/A - 1 TD
Game 14 @MIN - 9 carries - 16 yards - 1.78 Y/A - 0 TD

Those 2005 Pittsburgh Steelers ranked 1st in the NFL in Attempts and 5th in Rushing Yards. They were a running team ... !!!

Oh, by the way ... the Super Bowl Steelers lost 4 of those games ... JAX, @BAL, @IND, CIN.

In 2004, Bettis recorded the following games ...

Game 1 OAK - 5 carries - 1 yard - 0.20 Y/A - 3 TD
Game 3 @MIA - 7 carries - 12 yards - 1.71 Y/A - 0 TD
Game 4 CIN - 6 carries - 9 yards - 1.50 Y/A - 2 TD
Game 5 CLE - 14 carries - 34 yards - 2.43 Y/A - 1 TD
Game 6 @DAL - 5 carries - 8 yards - 1.60 Y/A - 1 TD

In Bettis' final 2 NFL seasons, he had 12 games just like the this year's Week 1 opener against Tennessee ... you know? ... the game in which he blasted the Steelers rushing attack.

7 of those 12 games were home games at Heinz Field.

Oh, BTW ... the 2004 Pittsburgh Steelers ranked 1st in the NFL in Attempts and 2nd in Rushing Yards ... it seems they too were a running team ... !!!

In 2003, Bettis recorded the following games ...

Game 1 BAL - 4 rushes - 14 yards - 3.50 Y/A - 0 TD
Game 2 @ KAN - 4 rushes 7 yards - 1.75 Y/A - 0 TD
Game 4 TEN - 3 rushes - 6 yards - 2.00 Y/A - 0 TD
Game 5 CLE - 3 rushes - 8 yards - 2.67 Y/A - 1 TD
Game 6 @DEN - 14 rushes - 34 yards - 2.43 Y/A - 1 TD
Game 16 @BAL - 23 rushes - 54 yards - 2.35 Y/A - 0 TD

Let's see ... six (6) rather unproductive games for Bettis in 2003 ...

That's 18 regular season games over a three year stretch that Bettis threw up a bone just like the bone Parker and company threw up last week.

Shall I go on ... ???

In 2002, Bettis recorded the following games ...

Game 3 CLE - 14 rushes - 24 yards - 1.71 Y/A - 0 TD
Game 10 @TEN - 4 rushes - 6 yards - 1.50 Y/A - 0 TD
Game 13 HOU - 14 rushes - 30 yards - 2.14 Y/A - 0 TD

Bettis had 21 career games over his final 4 seasons where he laid an egg in the Steelers running game.

Did anyone proclaim that the Steelers couldn't run the football from 2002 through 2005 on account of those games?

2001

Did anyone accuse the Steelers of not being able to rush the football after Week 1, when Bettis rushed 12 times for a mere 28 yards at Jacksonville ... ???

2000

Did anyone accuse the Steelers of not being able to rush the football after Week 1, when Bettis rushed 9 times for 8 yards at home against Baltimore ... ???

1999

Game 5 @BUF - 13 rushes - 24 yards - 1.85 Y/A - 1 TD
Game 12 @JAX - 12 rushes - 23 yards - 1.92 Y/A - 0 TD

You see ... it happens ... !!! ... real bad rushing games rear their ugly heads once in a while ... in Bettis' case they were fairly regular.

1998

Bettis had six (6) games were he failed to average 3.0 yards per carry.

1995

Bettis had five (5) games were he failed to average 3.0 yard per carry.

All throughout Jerome Bettis' illustrious career he tallied games time amd again where he was stone-walled in the rushing game ...

Did anyone accuse Jerome Bettis of not being able to run the football ... ??? ... EVER ... ???

Hey Jerome ...

STFU ... !!!

Nice research Lakelander,

I wasn't a big Bettis fan and your numbers show why. Sure, Bettis had a couple of good seasons with the Steelers but other than that, he was consistently stopped in the backfield by defenders merely slapping the top of his foot. If he didn't get at least 2 steps foward, he was easy to bring down. Did I already mention that I was not a big fan of the fat bastage? Go find yourself a double whopper Jerome and stuff it down your fat throat. No one cares what you have to say including the NBC Football Night in America executives.
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..... Bettis had a couple of good seasons with the Steelers but other than that, he was consistently stopped in the backfield by defenders merely slapping the top of his foot.....

Did I already mention that I was not a big fan of the fat bastage?
By-definition, first-ballot Hall-of-Fame running-backs don't get 'consistently stopped in the backfield' after 'a couple of good seasons'

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...Je00.htm?redir

a 13-year career, playing in 192 of 208 possible games (despite a battering-ram style), averaging 18+ carries a game, and just-under 4 yards per carry, 71+ yards-per-game, a touchdown almost every-other game, a low fumble-to-carry ratio, a team-player who motivated both the offense AND the defense with his style of play:
yep, that guy was a turd..... I bet there are only 32 coaches in the NFL today who'd want a 'fat bastage' like that on their team
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Interesting data, Lakelander, I did not know that from a statistics point of view he didn't perform better in his last year.

Still, I have to wonder what's with this Bettis bashing? Just because of what he wrote recently? The guy works in journalism now, he HAS to pretend to have a strong opinion, otherwise nobody would give a damn about what he writes.

I remember always being excited when he played, especially in the last two quarters of a game, when the opposing defense was tired and he rammed into them with his punishing style.

I don't care about statistics, statistic-wise the Steelers should not have won their last two Superbowls (6th seed in 2005; bad O-line in 2008, blablabla) but guess what? They did! There are just so many intangibles in this game and especially with a guy like Bettis who in my opinion always played his guts out.

I have to agree with 4xSBChamps here, give Bettis some credit, I think he deserves it.
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By-definition, first-ballot Hall-of-Fame running-backs don't get 'consistently stopped in the backfield' after 'a couple of good seasons'

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...Je00.htm?redir

a 13-year career, playing in 192 of 208 possible games (despite a battering-ram style), averaging 18+ carries a game, and just-under 4 yards per carry, 71+ yards-per-game, a touchdown almost every-other game, a low fumble-to-carry ratio, a team-player who motivated both the offense AND the defense with his style of play:
yep, that guy was a turd..... I bet there are only 32 coaches in the NFL today who'd want a 'fat bastage' like that on their team

I don't need to see your effing numbers. I watched every Steelers game during his tenure and with the exception of a few seasons, I didn't care a bit for him. Do your damn numbers change that? HELL NO! To each his own pal, to each his own. You apparently liked Bettis as a player, fine, I didn't.

The numbers say that Emmit Smiff is the best of all time. Hell, I don't have Smiff in my top 20 so numbers mean nothing to me. With that mammoth offensive line creating mammoth holes, Ironside could have wheeled his way to a few 1000 yard rushing seasons with those Cowboys.

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Did anyone accuse Jerome Bettis of not being able to run the football ... ??? ... EVER ... ???
Are you being sarcastic? You seriously don't remember all of the people calling him fat, slow, out of shape, and washed up???? I sure do. Also, Bettis never made this a comparison between himself and any of our running backs, so why do you feel the need to? Does it make any of his arguments less relevant? No. As much as I disagree with him, I don't see how pointing out games in the past where he was "stone-walled" refutes any of his arguments. Attack the argument, not the arguer. Emotional responses are pointless.

Now as far as the stats go.... The 2003 Steelers were not a running team. You didn't forget about the Maddox experiment already did you? They had 446 rushing attempts and 532 pass attempts, by design. The 2005 Steelers team had 549 rushing attempts and 379 pass attempts, by design. That's a HUGE difference philosophically and that has a lot to do with Bettis'(and all of the RB's of that time) numbers from those years.

Then there's Bettis numbers from 2005. How do you expect a short yardage/goal-line, non-feature power-back to get a high avg ypc????? He only had four games with 10 or more carries and averaged over 4 ypc in 3 of them, and 5.9 ypc in one of them. He also had 6 TD's in those 4 games. If anything, 3.3 ypc that year was good for someone who got the ball on plays designed to gain a first down in 3rd/4th and short, and in goal-line situations where there just isn't much room to run. Edit: Almost forgot to add that Bettis had 9 TD's in 12 games played, compared to Parker's 4 TD's in 15 games played. Of course I know you'll say it's because we gave it to Bettis in most of our goal situations, which is true, but they wouldn't have if Parker was the least bit effective in that situation.

None of that even takes into account the fact that EVERY SINGLE TIME BETTIS STEPPED ON THE FIELD EVERYONE AND THEIR MOM KNEW WE WERE GOING TO RUN THE BALL. To top it off, this was the final year in the career of one of the most physical RB's in the history of the NFL. Do you think he might been just a little banged up at that point???? You're stats seem like a good argument until you put them in context and realize that they're cherry picked.

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