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Old 12-27-2009, 12:59 PM   #21
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You have to acknowledge the opposite as well, Rev. LBJ's stats have remained pretty consistent the past 3 years. He may be at his Zenith now. If he gets help his numbers surely will go down because he has to do less. He might win some rings but I don't think he's going to up the numbers. 07-08 appears to be his best year statistically. Just an observation.
That's not true at all...his stats are better this year, and he's still got a lot of room for improvement concerning FT, 3 FG% and defensively i think he'll continue to get better.

As for the game yesterday, Kobe had the better numbers, but LBJ's team won the game, and that's all that counts (at least that's what all the Kobe fans said when the situation was reversed).
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Old 12-27-2009, 01:58 PM   #22
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That's not true at all...his stats are better this year, and he's still got a lot of room for improvement concerning FT, 3 FG% and defensively i think he'll continue to get better.

As for the game yesterday, Kobe had the better numbers, but LBJ's team won the game, and that's all that counts (at least that's what all the Kobe fans said when the situation was reversed).
The stats on ESPN say they aren't better, they are nearly identical for the past 3 yrs. With drops in min, stl, blk, rbs, and pts. Shooting % is up though. Not sure how that isn't pretty identical for the past 3 years but .....

YR TM G GS MIN FG FG% 3P 3P% FT FT% STL BLK TO PF OFF DEFTOT AST PTS

07-08 CLE 75 74 40.4 10.6-21.9 .484 1.5-4.8 .315 7.3-10.3 .712 1.80 1.10 3.4 2.2 1.8 6.1 7.9 7.2 30.0
08-09 CLE 81 81 37.7 9.7-19.9 .489 1.6-4.7 .344 7.3-9.4 .780 1.70 1.10 3.0 1.7 1.3 6.3 7.6 7.2 28.4
09-10 CLE 31 31 38.4 10.0-20.0 .499 1.6-4.5 .362 7.1-9.1 .777 1.30 0.80 3.8 1.9 1.0 6.0 7.0 7.9 28.7
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Old 12-28-2009, 09:32 AM   #23
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I'm not going to argue about this anymore...Kobe is the greatest ever, whatever...yada, yada, yada...
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Old 12-28-2009, 11:22 AM   #24
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That's not even the argument, you say LBJ is getting better, Kobe notwithstanding, the stats do not agree. Has nothing to do with Kobe or anyone else.
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It will take 15 years before we can even come close to properly assessing their relative greatness...but the fact is, Kobe has peaked, and it's simply a matter of how much longer he plays the game. LBJ is the equivalent of two years removed form what would have been a senior year in college. His best years are still to come, and I'm quite frankly unsure as to how or why ANYONE would doubt that...

To clarify:
His FG% is UP.
His 3pt FG% is UP
His assists are UP


Some of his stats have leveled off, but that's much more a testament to his team getting better around him, and him in turn getting more comfortable and trusting them more. His PPG, assists, boards and steals and blocks are already good enough to make him one of the best ever. He's set about trying to improve other weaker areas of his game, and the stats clearly show that he IS improving.
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Old 12-28-2009, 03:29 PM   #26
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Again, whether he is the best ever, and Kobe are not even in this discussion. To say his FG%, 3pt %, and assists are UP and the rest of his stats have "leveled off" is tantamount to intellectual dishonesty. His FG% has gone up .13 pts, his 3pt% .19, and assists .6 since last year. If that is "up," how is down .3 in steals, down .3 in blocks, and down .7 in rebounds considered leveling off? If you compare it to the 07-08 season; his FG% is up by .18, 3pt% up by .48, and asst up by .6, however steals down by .4, blocks down by .3, turnovers up by .3 (even though that's up, up is bad so down in context) rebounds down by a full 1, and pts down by 1.2. If .1, .1 and .2 (08-09) and .18, .48 and .6 (07-08) are up, certainly .3, .3, and .7 (08-09) and .4, .3, .3, 1 and 1.2 (07-08) are down? It's "up" if it goes up a slight margin, but "leveling off" if it goes down by a greater margin? Come on.

However, that's not the point. I said he has leveled off in the past 3 years. I didn't say he wasn't one of the best ever or even say he was or was not better than Kobe. He may very well be the best ever in 15 years, none of that changes the fact that: he has leveled off over the past 3 years, the numbers aren't getting better. The stats prove it. It's not even an argument or discussion, unless you say the stats are wrong. This may be the best he gets statistically. I can't imagine how it could get any better, and as you acknowledge, and I previously stated, the more help he gets the more "leveling off" or drop in stats you will see.
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The bottom line of it all. After his career is over he will be measured by championships not stats. He will only be compared to MJ, Kobe (if/when) he wins multiple championships.
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wow. another nba thread infected. whodathunk?

rhetorical question here... wasnt there already another kobe vs. labron thread started LAST year?

personally, if i was picking any player to start a team, i would take labron. i THINK that labron is the most skilled player in the game today and could take on and beat kobe in any 1 on 1 match up.

but havent you guys learned yet? this isnt about stats or championships. it is only about any "facts" that the board guru can conjure up and wrap his claws around. that is all that matters. anything else is meaningless.

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i guess he peaked for the fourth time in his career, then. as a sonics fan i would certainly hope durant can "peak" 4 times in his career.

i suppose the statement above is meant to imply that kobe cant get any better, but i guess that fact would be false if kobe wins yet another championship (i hope he doesnt).

as for labron, he is allen iverson and jason kidd wrapped up in one and put into tracy mcgrady's unbreakable body.

if you cant get a ring out of that its about time to start thinkin about leavin' cleveland.
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I don't think he has to win rings to be the greatest ever, if he maintains this level of performance, even if he has leveled off, for a substantial amount of years, he will be the best ever.
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I don't think he has to win rings to be the greatest ever, if he maintains this level of performance, even if he has leveled off, for a substantial amount of years, he will be the best ever.
can i assume the "he" you are speaking of is labron (being that kobe has already won rings)?


anyways, i was rewarded with 4 tickets to a spurs game ($160 seats/ hotel and airfare for 4) to a selection of friday night games before the season ends.

i was a bit upset my boss quickly snagged the ones to see the cavs in late march. i still got the choice of the magic in early april or the suns in mid march (or the rockets, griz, and a few other stinkers a bit sooner). either way, i am psyched to see my first nba game live (and hope duncan and howard are both healthy and playing).
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