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Old 12-28-2009, 11:16 PM   #31
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I did, he as in LBJ. By substantial I mean longer than MJ or Kobe.
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Old 12-29-2009, 08:53 AM   #32
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Intellectual dishonesty?

As his team gets better around him, he needs to do less, so his stats will suffer a bit. BUT you can see improvement THROUGH other stats, like his shooting becoming more accurate. Also, let's be honest about his blocks, steals and boards. They are off by small percentages. It's not like he was averaging 12 boards a game and it's dropped off to 5.

What's intellectually dishonest is letting bias and dislike taint logic. To say that a player has peaked because some stats have leveled off without juxtaposing that data against the larger circumstances equate to garbage in/garbage out.

Kobe is considered the best player in the NBA because that's just the way it's been. The changing of the guard is in full force, and it's simply a matter of time before the current "groupthink" changes and comes around...
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Old 12-29-2009, 11:45 AM   #33
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The flip side of the coin seems to escape you. No worries, you can take the opposite of every point you make and it is just as valid. Bias and infatuation are just as easy to taint logic. No one is going to look back at LBJ and say his ppg went down but his FG% went up by .3 and say he has achieved some sort of new peak. Some stats just don't matter as much as others in the grand scheme of things. If you choose not to acknowledge that, so be it. The SMALL percentages that his stats are up are even SMALLER percentages than the larger in number stats are down.

Which ultimately brings me back to my original post, at least we are making headway, if this is the statistical best LBJ gets, is this not his zenith? Are you really saying that because his FG% minutely increases that he has reached a new peak?

Edit: To put his FG% increase in perspective he is up .013% which translates into about 19 FGs over the course of a season (takes roughly 1600 shots) Conversely his turnovers are up .7 a game. That's 57.4 turnovers more over the course of a season. Your contention is that he has elevated his play? You would take 19 more FGs over a season versus 57 turnovers? (Yes, I left out his increase and 3PT% and decrease in FT%, feel free to do the math on your own)

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Old 12-29-2009, 01:01 PM   #34
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This is the same as every other debate with you....you're right, I'm wrong, and you'll argue FOREVER about it...

I'll be moving along now....
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Just to clear things up this is a 2009-2010 NBA thread....
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Old 12-29-2009, 01:47 PM   #36
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http://www.indysportsnation.com/spor...,7141442.story

Pacers: Team sees LeBron improve in different ways
Yet each Indiana player, coach believes that James is one of, if not the best player in the league

NDIANAPOLIS - The question might seem unusual, considering the player to which it concerns.

He's never averaged under 20 points, not even when he was an 18-year old rookie. He's been an All-Star every year since 2005 and last season was the NBA's Most Valuable Player.

Yet when Jim O'Brien was asked how LeBron James has improved, he had a very straight answer.

"He went from being a mediocre defensive player to being first team all-defense," said O'Brien of the Cavaliers' best player.

rying to evaluate the forward's progress since he joined the league in 2003 is not a proposition of looking a wholesale changes, but rather little tweaks to his game that have made him more effective, and have turned Cleveland into a front runner for the NBA championship.

"They're a guy whose willed himself to do whatever it takes to help Cleveland win," said O'Brien of James. "He's a remarkable young man with a burning desire to give his team whatever is necessary to bring them a championship and win the next basketball."

Forward Danny Granger, while citing James' offensive exploits, says that his extra emphasis on the defensive end has made him more of a threat than in the past.

"He's always been highly athletic, I think when he put into his mind that he wanted to play defense, he can literally guard anybody," said Granger of James. "He can probably guard forwards and centers also because he's 270 pounds, so pretty much the sky the limit for what he can do."

When the same question was posed to forward Troy Murphy, he had a different response.

"His shooting, the way he's improved shooting the ball," said the Pacers forward of James. "Now he's got the step back, hitting threes. He's a threat to go to the cup and hit the jumper."

Read: Pacers Fall To Knicks 110-103

But there is at least one thing that the Pacers are in agreement with when it comes to Cleveland's No. 23. The player often nicknamed "The King" is every bit of his monnicker.

"He's in another world, athletically than anyone in professional sports period," said Granger of James.

O'Brien-who has been in coaching for over 30 years, would side with Granger as well.

"Some of them have him as the best player in the league and I wouldn't dispute that," said O'Brien. "He doesn't like to lose, he's a great leader of that ballclub."

James' statistics through 12 games show he's right on pace with his previous seasons as he's averaging 27.3 points per game with 8.1 assists per game while grabbing 6.6 rebounds a contest. Helping to provide some protection for the star is veteran Shaquille O'Neal, who joined the team via trade this off season.

Read: Pacers Beat Nets To Win Fifth In A Row

But a strained shoulder will keep O'Neal out of the Cavaliers lineup Friday against the Pacers, and while James injured his wrist on Wednesday against the Wizards, its not likely he'll sit out at Conseco Fieldhouse.

"He's the best player in the league, and we'll have to prepare for him," said Murphy of James. "He's a load, he's a handful."
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James' statistics through 12 games show he's right on pace with his previous seasons as he's averaging 27.3 points per game with 8.1 assists per game while grabbing 6.6 rebounds a contest. "
Thank you, now we agree.
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Happy Birthday to LeBron James today.
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Close game Cavs vs Lakers on TNT, LBJ is playing great.
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2-0 vs. the Lakers this year...nice dominating performance by LBJ, as well. He completely took over the game at the end there...

LBJ 37 points, 5 boards, 9 assists, and the win.
Kobe 31 points (and it took 31 shots to get them), 2 boards, 4 assists.

This is the season that will mark the true and final changing of the guard, even for those who refuse to acknowledge this inevitable change. For the "stats don't matter" crowd, they Cavs swept the series. For the stats people, LBJ won the battle and the war so far this year.
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