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Old 01-26-2006, 01:40 PM   #21
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b. farve
d. culpepper
s. mcnair
d. mcnabb
b. roethlisberger
Yes them QB's have certainly come up trumps this year havent they?

Culpepper - exposed failure without R.Moss - not particularly accurate before getting hit let alone after.

S. McNair - the old 'warrior' this is one guy who has taken alot of shots - then again what has he ever won?

DMcNabb - obviously enjoys getting hit so much he has missed most of this season through injury.



I dont know how you can possibly put Ben in there - for two reasons.

1. He hasnt played enough games to be hit that many times - and until recently he didnt pass more than 20 times a game on a regular basis.

2. He is extremely good at evading tackles and hits - you would think if he enjoyed it that much he would let himself get hit a little more wouldnt ya?


Out of a list of 5 im going to give you credit for one - B . Favre.

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Old 01-26-2006, 01:52 PM   #22
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Yes them QB's have certainly come up trumps this year havent they?

Culpepper - exposed failure without R.Moss - not particularly accurate before getting hit let alone after.

S. McNair - the old 'warrior' this is one guy who has taken alot of shots - then again what has he ever won?

DMcNabb - obviously enjoys getting hit so much he has missed most of this season through injury.



I dont know how you can possibly put Ben in there - for two reasons.

1. He hasnt played enough games to be hit that many times - and until recently he didnt pass more than 20 times a game on a regular basis.

2. He is extremely good at evading tackles and hits - you would think if he enjoyed it that much he would let himself get hit a little more wouldnt ya?


Out of a list of 5 im going to give you credit for one - B . Favre.

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none of this jibber jabber has anything to do with the question you asked. you asked for a list of qb's who dont mind getting hit. these guys mind a hell of alot less than manning or brady. body language says it all. the latter 2 get shell shocked when they get hit early more than 1 or 2 times. they make uncharacteristic mistakes they never usually do when standing upright with a clean jersey.

out of your list of 1 (tom brady) i will give you credit for zero.
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Old 01-26-2006, 03:15 PM   #23
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none of this jibber jabber has anything to do with the question you asked. you asked for a list of qb's who dont mind getting hit. these guys mind a hell of alot less than manning or brady. body language says it all. the latter 2 get shell shocked when they get hit early more than 1 or 2 times. they make uncharacteristic mistakes they never usually do when standing upright with a clean jersey.

out of your list of 1 (tom brady) i will give you credit for zero.
Jibber Jabber? Isn't he in one of the early Star Wars movies?

I didnt construct any list by the way.

I am not sure how you can even put Manning and Brady in the same class when it comes to passing effectiveness whilst being hit or pressured!

Why dont you compare their playoff records to see how each react to increased intensity and physical play by opposing D-Lines/LB's?

Brady, especially this year has had a make-shift O-Line - 3 left tackles for a start and 2 different guys snapping him the ball.

You surely must have seen some Pats games (not including the one where we beat you) - you would have seen Brady on his ass a worrying amount of the time this season he was repeatedly hit whilst releasing the ball.

Not many QB's (if any) hang in there until the last second to make the right pass better than Brady.

Either Brady has never been put under any pressure whilst compiling a 10-1 playoff record - or he is a lot better in the face of intense physical pressure than you let on.

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"Not many QB's (if any) hang in there until the last second to make the right pass better than Brady."
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lmao!

let me see if i follow you here.... by your logic d. branch is tougher than hines ward cause hes won more playoff games and superbowls?
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Old 01-26-2006, 04:31 PM   #25
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youre right living. in fact i bet if we look at the numbers brady gets hit more than david carr and kurt warner (remember him? he used to be great until he started getting hit. then the book to defeat him was written)
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youre right living. in fact i bet if we look at the numbers brady gets hit more than david carr and kurt warner (remember him? he used to be great until he started getting hit. then the book to defeat him was written)
I dont know why it always seems beyond you to follow basic lines of argument Tony.

You always go off on unrelated tangents, such as introducing WR's into the mix for no apparent reason.

Here is a short statement to make it easy for you - Tom Brady is a QB who handles pressure, both physical and mental, better than an QB playing the game today.

I can prove this becasue he just keeps winning - and winning in SB's too where the pressure is greatest - try staying on track this time Tony - i'd hate to see you wander off and start discussing Linebackers......

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Living in the past, you're wasting your time. You're not going to get anywhere with that poster. He just wants to play like Brady is a *****. Of course they can't beat Brady at crunch time.
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I dont know why it always seems beyond you to follow basic lines of argument Tony.

You always go off on unrelated tangents, such as introducing WR's into the mix for no apparent reason.

Here is a short statement to make it easy for you - Tom Brady is a QB who handles pressure, both physical and mental, better than an QB playing the game today.

I can prove this becasue he just keeps winning - and winning in SB's too where the pressure is greatest - try staying on track this time Tony - i'd hate to see you wander off and start discussing Linebackers......

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its easy to handle physical pressure when its not there. when it is there the patriots lose. simple. keep on track. this argument is about tuff quarterbacks and you wanna start talking about playoff records.

compare the 2 steeler games last year. early pressure on brady = halloween win. no pressure on brady = afc champ game loss. look at the loss last year vs. miami. same story. brady is hit early and he loses. kc, carolina, denver all effectively got early hits on brady. = losses.

this really pisses you off that i will not accept brady as one of the toughest qb's in the league. is he tougher than pennington, losman, vick, brees? sure. but for his size he simply isnt in the class of "my list". i always though d. bledsoe was tough as nails. especially after that hit from mo lewis. never seen brady do that. thats because he doesnt have the stones. neither does manning.

and just to throw you a curve ball and really confuse you.... t. saurbrun is a tuff punter (has always been looked at as one) martin or bill gramatica arent as tough as him though. i know its complex for you to understand, let me try to simplify: a rock is tougher than a feather. a pit bull is tougher than a toy poodle. getting a point across to you is tougher than getting it across to brick wall.
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Living in the past, you're wasting your time. You're not going to get anywhere with that poster. He just wants to play like Brady is a *****. Of course they can't beat Brady at crunch time.
too bad brady cant beat the broncos during crunch time. what is that 4 losses in the 5 meetings during the brady era? steelers wouldve loved to tee off on brady like they did carson, peyton, and jake. especially with the patriots o-line acting like turnstyles.
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too bad brady cant beat the broncos during crunch time. what is that 4 losses in the 5 meetings during the brady era? steelers wouldve loved to tee off on brady like they did carson, peyton, and jake. especially with the patriots o-line acting like turnstyles.
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