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Old 12-01-2009, 03:27 PM   #1
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Default Can't call Ravens ratbirds anymore

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i remember i broke a ravens neck once when it tried to hunt down my fish, it don't get past the silverback in my garden.... i later gave it as a treat to my hounds
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You went outside, saw a bird around your fish, and somehow broke its neck without scaring it away? Then you fed a dead bird to your dogs? I'm glad I don't know you.
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You went outside, saw a bird around your fish, and somehow broke its neck without scaring it away? Then you fed a dead bird to your dogs? I'm glad I don't know you.
Didn't you catch the part in his post that hesaid 'Silverback'? You know, James Harrison?
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Sorry, but we can still call Ravens "ratbirds"...since that's basically what they are.

Nice article, but it's about a species of Ravens that lives only in desert areas in Africa and the middle east. Common Ravens (North American Ravens), while still considered highly intelligent, are still pretty much bottom feeders and scavengers, much like rats.

"In some places they are mainly scavengers, feeding on carrion as well as the associated maggots and carrion beetles. Plant food includes cereal grains, berries and fruit. They prey on small invertebrates, amphibians, reptiles, small mammals and birds. Ravens may also consume the undigested portions of animal feces, and human food waste.

They also raid the food caches of other species, such as the Arctic Fox. They may also associate with another canine, the Grey Wolf, as a kleptoparasite, following to scavenge carcasses in winter.

Common Ravens nesting near sources of human garbage included a higher percentage of food waste in their diet, birds nesting near roads consumed more road-killed vertebrates, and those nesting far from these sources of food ate more arthropods and plant material. Fledging success was higher for those using human garbage as a food source."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Raven#Diet

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Many birds scavenge, the point is that the raven is an intelligent and clever bird. Here's the beginning of the diet section on Wikipedia, which you so subtly omitted:


Common Ravens are omnivorous and highly opportunistic: their diet may vary widely with location, season and serendipity.[38] For example, those foraging on tundra on the Arctic North Slope of Alaska obtained about half their energy needs from predation, mainly of microtine rodents, and half by scavenging, mainly of caribou and ptarmigan carcasses.

In some places they are mainly scavengers, feeding on carrion as well as the associated maggots and carrion beetles.[40] Plant food includes cereal grains, berries and fruit. They prey on small invertebrates, amphibians, reptiles, small mammals and birds.[41] Ravens may also consume the undigested portions of animal feces, and human food waste. They store surplus food items, especially those containing fat, and will learn to hide such food out of the sight of other Common Ravens.[34] They also raid the food caches of other species, such as the Arctic Fox.[42] They may also associate with another canine, the Grey Wolf, as a kleptoparasite, following to scavenge carcasses in winter.[43]


So it really depends on the environment. The raven in general is an intelligent and clever bird, and common ravens are known to work together. The common raven is considered among the most intelligent birds. Also, ravens eat pests, including rodents.
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Many birds scavenge, the point is that the raven is an intelligent and clever bird. Here's the beginning of the diet section on Wikipedia, which you so subtly omitted:


Common Ravens are omnivorous and highly opportunistic: their diet may vary widely with location, season and serendipity.[38] For example, those foraging on tundra on the Arctic North Slope of Alaska obtained about half their energy needs from predation, mainly of microtine rodents, and half by scavenging, mainly of caribou and ptarmigan carcasses.

In some places they are mainly scavengers, feeding on carrion as well as the associated maggots and carrion beetles.[40] Plant food includes cereal grains, berries and fruit. They prey on small invertebrates, amphibians, reptiles, small mammals and birds.[41] Ravens may also consume the undigested portions of animal feces, and human food waste. They store surplus food items, especially those containing fat, and will learn to hide such food out of the sight of other Common Ravens.[34] They also raid the food caches of other species, such as the Arctic Fox.[42] They may also associate with another canine, the Grey Wolf, as a kleptoparasite, following to scavenge carcasses in winter.[43]


So it really depends on the environment. The raven in general is an intelligent and clever bird, and common ravens are known to work together. The common raven is considered among the most intelligent birds. Also, ravens eat pests, including rodents.
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Many birds scavenge, the point is that the raven is an intelligent and clever bird. Here's the beginning of the diet section on Wikipedia, which you so subtly omitted:


Common Ravens are omnivorous and highly opportunistic: their diet may vary widely with location, season and serendipity.[38] For example, those foraging on tundra on the Arctic North Slope of Alaska obtained about half their energy needs from predation, mainly of microtine rodents, and half by scavenging, mainly of caribou and ptarmigan carcasses.

In some places they are mainly scavengers, feeding on carrion as well as the associated maggots and carrion beetles.[40] Plant food includes cereal grains, berries and fruit. They prey on small invertebrates, amphibians, reptiles, small mammals and birds.[41] Ravens may also consume the undigested portions of animal feces, and human food waste. They store surplus food items, especially those containing fat, and will learn to hide such food out of the sight of other Common Ravens.[34] They also raid the food caches of other species, such as the Arctic Fox.[42] They may also associate with another canine, the Grey Wolf, as a kleptoparasite, following to scavenge carcasses in winter.[43]


So it really depends on the environment. The raven in general is an intelligent and clever bird, and common ravens are known to work together. The common raven is considered among the most intelligent birds. Also, ravens eat pests, including rodents.
In case you didn't read all the words I typed earlier, I did say they are highly intelligent. Doesn't mean they aren't typically scavengers and bottom feeders though...like rats. And when they live in areas populated with humans, they are considered pests...like rats.
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