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Old 12-07-2009, 03:09 PM   #1
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This thread is a corollary to another, but it deserves it's own thread.

The offseason may be approaching much faster than ANY of us anticipated. So why not start the locker room talk early?

I have questions for the people on this board who believe that the bible should be literally interpreted. Noah's Ark is a great place to start:


Is it true that the dimensions of the Ark were 155 meters long, 25 meters wide and 15 meters high and it was to contain three decks, a side-opening door and a one-cubit square window at the top?

Where did Noah fit the 30 million known pairs of species?

How did Noah load all these animals in the 24 hours the bible said it took to load them? 460 animals and organisms entered PER SECOND?

How did the very few people on the Ark feed these millions of animals?

Where did the waste of all these animals go? I mean, there are a LOT of stalls to clean, no?

How did community organisms like bee's survive if there was only a pair?

How did Noah gather animals that were undiscovered at that point (assuming that ALL animals existed, since the World is only 6,000 years old)? Like animals from Australia?

Where did the Dinosaurs go?

This is only the beginning of the questions I have...the veritable tip of the iceberg...just want to dip my toe and see what response I get...
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Old 12-07-2009, 03:23 PM   #2
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I don't know how any others on this board feel, but I've looked into this before, about how Creationists feel about it. It's hard to imagine how some of themselves take their "research" seriously...but here's some of the answers you're looking for lol.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/arti...or-the-animals
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LOL...

What Did the Dinosaurs Eat?

Dinosaurs could have eaten basically the same foods as the other animals. The large sauropods could have eaten compressed hay, other dried plant material, seeds and grains, and the like. Carnivorous dinosaurs—if any were meat-eaters before the Flood—could have eaten dried meat, reconstituted dried meat, or slaughtered animals. Giant tortoises would have been ideal to use as food in this regard. They were large and needed little food to be maintained themselves. There are also exotic sources of meat, such as fish that wrap themselves in dry cocoons.


Um....errrr....the Dino's shared the Ark with Noah? 6,000 years ago? That's wrong in many ways...the explanation of the Creationist for the DISAPPEARANCE of the dinosaurs IS Noah's flood...
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Old 12-07-2009, 04:09 PM   #4
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It depends on which Creationist you ask I guess...some of them are just all over the place.

"Dinosaurs were also explained. According to John Whitcomb, co-author of the seminal creationist book, The Genesis Flood (1961), Noah's ark carried 1,000 different kinds of dinosaurs as well as all of the other species, and the book has sold more than a quarter of a million copies in English.

Considered the father of modern creationism, Whitcomb is critical of those who accept progressive creationism or intelligent design."

http://www.christianpost.com/article...ang/index.html

"A vegetarian Tyrannosaurus rex frolicked alongside human beings only a few thousand years ago in the Garden of Eden until Eve decided to munch on that apple, according to the Creation Museum, which opens in Kentucky today.

The $27 million (£14 million) exhibition is funded by evangelical Christians, who apparently believe that by reclaiming dinosaurs and fossils for their literal biblical interpretation of natural history, teenagers are less likely to look at internet pornography or get pregnant out of wedlock.

This sprawling 50-acre (20hectare) site is the latest effort to counter the evolutionary science taught in state schools that Answers in Genesis, the religious group behind the museum, claims has chipped away at the nation’s moral fabric.

It uses much of the same technology seen in mainstream museums. There are realistic moving, roaring dinosaurs and a lifesized model of a ship being built by animatronic craftsmen. In this corner of northern Kentucky the dinosaurs get to go on the ship, which happens to be none other than Noah’s Ark."

http://entertainment.timesonline.co....cle1848419.ece

"In Genesis 6:19–20, the Bible says that two of every sort of land vertebrate (seven of the “clean” animals) were brought by God to the Ark. Therefore, dinosaurs (land vertebrates) were represented on the Ark."

http://www.answersingenesis.org/arti...s-on-noahs-ark

"If Dinosaurs were extinct before the flood, then the enormous force from a coastless current would have destroyed any fossilized remains. So we know they could not have died millions of years ago like some believe.

Also, thousands of gallons of running water are needed to fossilize an animal buried in the huge sedimentary deposits caused by the flood.

The very presence of dinosaur fossils today is (in part) proof that they existed up to the time of the flood. So if they were still alive in the days of Noah, then he would have had to take them on board with him.

God said to take "Two of each kind" of animal on to the ark."

http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/dino_ark.html

There's so much more too...delving into the writings of Creationists is truly an adventure.
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This thread is a corollary to another, but it deserves it's own thread.

The offseason may be approaching much faster than ANY of us anticipated. So why not start the locker room talk early?

I have questions for the people on this board who believe that the bible should be literally interpreted. Noah's Ark is a great place to start:


Is it true that the dimensions of the Ark were 155 meters long, 25 meters wide and 15 meters high and it was to contain three decks, a side-opening door and a one-cubit square window at the top?

Where did Noah fit the 30 million known pairs of species?

How did Noah load all these animals in the 24 hours the bible said it took to load them? 460 animals and organisms entered PER SECOND?

How did the very few people on the Ark feed these millions of animals?

Where did the waste of all these animals go? I mean, there are a LOT of stalls to clean, no?

How did community organisms like bee's survive if there was only a pair?

How did Noah gather animals that were undiscovered at that point (assuming that ALL animals existed, since the World is only 6,000 years old)? Like animals from Australia?

Where did the Dinosaurs go?

This is only the beginning of the questions I have...the veritable tip of the iceberg...just want to dip my toe and see what response I get...
I am a Christian, but I am not scholared like someone like Preacher, but I will take a stab at this:

Where did Noah fit the 30 million known pairs of species?: Roughly 1656 years passed between the Creation and the Flood. The Bible does not indicate the amount of animal species that were present on the earth at the time. Most Bible Scholars state that there was 30,000 or less animals on the Ark at that time, but we don't know that for sure. It also doesn't indicate the age or maturity of each of the animals that were taken on board. Additionally, Noah’s ark was built only to float, not to ail anywhere. Many ark scholars believe that the ark was a "barge" shape, not a pointed "boat" shape. This would greatly increase the cargo capacity.

How did Noah load all these animals in the 24 hours the bible said it took to load them? 460 animals and organisms entered PER SECOND? The Bible indicates that the animals came to Noah (Gen 7:9) and entered the Ark. I'm not sure where you are getting the 24 hour period, but the Bible indicates that God told Noah 7 days prior to the flood waters advancing to get his family and the animals on the boat (Genesis 7:4:11). Again, there is no evidence that there were as many animals as you indicate, but what I do know is the kind of animals that were put on the boat and that God directed the animals to Noah.


How did the very few people on the Ark feed these millions of animals?


God commanded Noah to store every kind of food for himself, his family, and for the animals (Genesis 6:21). It is also indicated that Noah did all that God had commanded him to do (Genesis 6:22). There have been studies on this very topic showing that it is possible for 8 people, working around 60 hours a week, could feed this many animals. Additionally, from everything I know about God and his power, it was God's power working through those 8 people that fed those animals. When God calls people to do something, he equips them to do it.

Where did the waste of all these animals go? I mean, there are a LOT of stalls to clean, no? - The Bible doesn't indicate anything about how they did this. That's not to say that there wasn't something that God had Noah build within the ark to take care of this either.

How did Noah gather animals that were undiscovered at that point (assuming that ALL animals existed, since the World is only 6,000 years old)? Like animals from Australia? - I answered this one before. According to the Bible, God directed the animals to come to Noah (Gen 7:9). We must consider the fact that only every "kind" of animal needs to go on the ark. Not every species of that kind. This is an important point. It reduces the number of animals (living and extinct) from millions, to thousands!

Where did the Dinosaurs go? - The Bible does not list the names of every creature on the Ark. It does say that one set of every kind of air-breathing animal was on board (Genesis 6:19-20, 7:15-16). To me, that indicates that Dinosaurs were on the ark. There is evidence that large animals were on the earth after the flood as well...as Job mentions the Behemoth. Again, as far as the maturity of the animal, we don't know that, but what we do know, from the dimensions described in scripture, that there was room enough for them. Taking a younger dinosaur would allow for less food consumption by them, less room taken up, and possibly easier care.
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This thread is a corollary to another, but it deserves it's own thread.

The offseason may be approaching much faster than ANY of us anticipated. So why not start the locker room talk early?

I have questions for the people on this board who believe that the bible should be literally interpreted. Noah's Ark is a great place to start:


Is it true that the dimensions of the Ark were 155 meters long, 25 meters wide and 15 meters high and it was to contain three decks, a side-opening door and a one-cubit square window at the top?

Where did Noah fit the 30 million known pairs of species?

How did Noah load all these animals in the 24 hours the bible said it took to load them? 460 animals and organisms entered PER SECOND?

How did the very few people on the Ark feed these millions of animals?

Where did the waste of all these animals go? I mean, there are a LOT of stalls to clean, no?

How did community organisms like bee's survive if there was only a pair?

How did Noah gather animals that were undiscovered at that point (assuming that ALL animals existed, since the World is only 6,000 years old)? Like animals from Australia?

Where did the Dinosaurs go?

This is only the beginning of the questions I have...the veritable tip of the iceberg...just want to dip my toe and see what response I get...



You REALLY don't have any hope for the playoffs do you?

These are great questions which I don't have time to answer (one thread takes up most of my free time right now... I am WAY behind), but I think, (and we will discuss this later), the answers come from both 1. Misinterpretation and 2., a little too simplistic look at the narrative from your part (seeing it as a children's story from the bible, instead of the depth of the narrative, as it relates to number 1).

Remind me in a few days or so, and I will get into this a bit more. Deal?
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If the only human survivors were Noah, his 3 sons and their wives...does that mean that the rest of mankind was recreated from incest?

That would explain so much about the state of the world today.
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Not an expert...but since I am 43 and can figure out that its logistically easier to gather and feed "baby" animals.....I'm guessing that a 500 year old Noah could figure the same thing out.



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If the only human survivors were Noah, his 3 sons and their wives...does that mean that the rest of mankind was recreated from incest?

That would explain so much about the state of the world today.
It certainly explains Tim Lumber.
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I didn't know people still believed in that fairy tale.

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