Why register with the Steelers Fever Forums?
 • Intelligent and friendly discussions.
 • It's free and it's quick. Always.
 • Enter events in the forums calendar.
 • Very user friendly software.
 • Exclusive contests and giveaways.

 Donate to Steelers Fever, Click here
 Our 2014 Goal: $450.00 - To Date: $450.00 (100.00%)
 Home | Forums | Editorials | Shop | Tickets | Downloads | Contact Pittsburgh Steelers Forum Feed Not Just Fans. Hardcore Fans.

Go Back   Steelers Fever Forums > Steelers Football > Pittsburgh Steelers


Steelers Fever Fan Shop

Doc's Sports Get FREE NFL Picks and College Football picks as well as Football Lines like live NFL Lines and updated NFL Power Rankings all at Doc's Sports Service.

Steelers

An important history lesson for you TRUE Steelers fans!

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 12-08-2009, 12:17 PM   #1
Hayeksheroes
Banned
 

Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 277
Member Number: 15387
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default 4th Qtr. Collapse not a coincidence anymore

I am really starting to believe that the 4th QTR collapse is no longer a coincidence. I think teams are game planning around the 4th. If they can just hang around, then they unleash their LeBeau killing strategy and win the 4th.

LeBeau is a master strategist, who can make the right adjustments given time. The collapses have been so spectacular, it seems as though the opposing team have LeBeau's number. They are tending to save their zone blitz killers until the 4th instead of the 1st quarter. That leaves LeBeau little time to adjust and counteract. As a result, you have the collapse.
Hayeksheroes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2009, 12:22 PM   #2
devilsdancefloor
Living Legend
Supporter
 
devilsdancefloor's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Columbus, Indiana
Posts: 4,015
Gender: Male
Member Number: 10172
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: 4th Qtr. Collapse not a coincidence anymore

i think we just play like shit in the 4th quarter.
__________________
Don't do anything by half. If you love someone, love them with all your soul. When you go to work, work your ass off. When you hate someone, hate them until it hurts.

I believe that today more than ever a book should be sought after even if it has only one great page in it. We must search for fragments, splinters, toenails, anything that has ore in it, anything that is capable of resuscitating the body and the soul.


devilsdancefloor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2009, 02:43 PM   #3
The_WARDen
Head Coach
 
The_WARDen's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 1,699
Gender: Male
Member Number: 7628
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: 4th Qtr. Collapse not a coincidence anymore

my take is that they suck against the pass...seems like the other team has to pass come the 4th qtr and the defense gets exposed.

makes me wonder what the opposing OC is thinking half the time...why bother running the ball?
__________________
After reading the idiotic threads over the past couple of weeks, I ask the question - "Who is worse...Steeler fans or Eagles fans?" Keep in mind that Eagle fans do not know what it's like to win a SB much less 6 and 2 this decade.
The_WARDen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2009, 02:44 PM   #4
plenewken
Assistant Coach
 

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Pittsburgh
Posts: 1,474
Member Number: 3447
Thanks: 125
Thanked 25 Times in 16 Posts
Default Re: 4th Qtr. Collapse not a coincidence anymore

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hayeksheroes View Post
I am really starting to believe that the 4th QTR collapse is no longer a coincidence. I think teams are game planning around the 4th. If they can just hang around, then they unleash their LeBeau killing strategy and win the 4th.

LeBeau is a master strategist, who can make the right adjustments given time. The collapses have been so spectacular, it seems as though the opposing team have LeBeau's number. They are tending to save their zone blitz killers until the 4th instead of the 1st quarter. That leaves LeBeau little time to adjust and counteract. As a result, you have the collapse.
What's not a coincidence either is our slow starts on offense.

PIT-TEN: 0 pts in 1st quarter, 7 pts at 1/2 time
CHI-PIT: 7pts 1st quarter, 7 pts at 1/2 time
PIT-CLE: 0 pts in 1st quarter
PIT-MIN: 3 pts in 1st quarter, 10 pts at 1/2 time
DEN-PIT: 0 pts in 1st quarter, 7 pts at 1/2 time
PIT-CIN: 3 pts in 1st quarter, 9 pts at 1/2 time
KC-PIT: 0 pts in 1st quarter
BAL-PIT: 0 pts in 1st quarter, 7 pts at 1/2 time
PIT-OAK: 3 pts in 1st quarter, 10 pts at 1/2 time.

So in 9 games out of 12, we haven't scored more than 7 pts in the first quarter. In 5 games out of 12, we haven't scored a single point in the first quarter!!!

I know, everyone thinks it's the defense's fault if we're at 6-6. I'm sorry but I see it differently and the numbers prove than I'm right. We can't friggin' score early in the game therefore we don't put pressure on the opponent. It's obvious.
plenewken is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2009, 02:47 PM   #5
The_WARDen
Head Coach
 
The_WARDen's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 1,699
Gender: Male
Member Number: 7628
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: 4th Qtr. Collapse not a coincidence anymore

Quote:
Originally Posted by plenewken View Post
What's not a coincidence either is our slow starts on offense.

PIT-TEN: 0 pts in 1st quarter, 7 pts at 1/2 time
CHI-PIT: 7pts 1st quarter, 7 pts at 1/2 time
PIT-CLE: 0 pts in 1st quarter
PIT-MIN: 3 pts in 1st quarter, 10 pts at 1/2 time
DEN-PIT: 0 pts in 1st quarter, 7 pts at 1/2 time
PIT-CIN: 3 pts in 1st quarter, 9 pts at 1/2 time
KC-PIT: 0 pts in 1st quarter
BAL-PIT: 0 pts in 1st quarter, 7 pts at 1/2 time
PIT-OAK: 3 pts in 1st quarter, 10 pts at 1/2 time.

So in 9 games out of 12, we haven't scored more than 7 pts in the first quarter. In 5 games out of 12, we haven't scored a single point in the first quarter.

I know, it's the defense's fault. I'm sorry but I see it differently and the numbers prove than I'm right. We can't friggin' score early in the game therefore we don't put pressure on the opponent. It's obvious.
So, being up 4 at the start of the 4th and scoring 14 pts in the 4th doesn't put pressure on the opponent? It's obviously that didn't turn out so well.
__________________
After reading the idiotic threads over the past couple of weeks, I ask the question - "Who is worse...Steeler fans or Eagles fans?" Keep in mind that Eagle fans do not know what it's like to win a SB much less 6 and 2 this decade.
The_WARDen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2009, 02:55 PM   #6
plenewken
Assistant Coach
 

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Pittsburgh
Posts: 1,474
Member Number: 3447
Thanks: 125
Thanked 25 Times in 16 Posts
Default Re: 4th Qtr. Collapse not a coincidence anymore

Quote:
Originally Posted by The_WARDen View Post
So, being up 4 at the start of the 4th and scoring 14 pts in the 4th doesn't put pressure on the opponent? It's obviously that didn't turn out so well.
You must have missed something Sunday. We were up by 4 after 3 quarters (big friggin' deal! ) with our defense playing solid. Then THEY scored, not us, so we ended up being 3 behind.
And it happened again twice. We NEVER had more than a 4 pts lead against them. Considering the weapons we have on offense, the stats I showed you speak for themselves. We can't friggin' start games and pin the opponent.
plenewken is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2009, 03:00 PM   #7
The_WARDen
Head Coach
 
The_WARDen's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 1,699
Gender: Male
Member Number: 7628
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: 4th Qtr. Collapse not a coincidence anymore

Quote:
Originally Posted by plenewken View Post
You must have missed something Sunday. We were up by 4 after 3 quarters (big friggin' deal! ) with our defense playing solid. Then THEY scored, not us, so we ended up being 3 behind.
And it happened again twice. We NEVER had more than a 4 pts lead against them. Considering the weapons we have on offense, the stats I showed you speak for themselves. We can't friggin' start games and pin the opponent.
The offense played like crap but the team was still up 4 AND scored 14 points in the 4th. That means that defense would have had to the bed to lose that game and they did by giving up 3 TDs in 1 qtr to a team that had 10 total TDs in the previous 11 games.

*Newsflash* By the way, Steelers are known for great defense. It is their trademark. That's why people are stunned and why it is so EMBARASSING!
__________________
After reading the idiotic threads over the past couple of weeks, I ask the question - "Who is worse...Steeler fans or Eagles fans?" Keep in mind that Eagle fans do not know what it's like to win a SB much less 6 and 2 this decade.
The_WARDen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2009, 03:08 PM   #8
plenewken
Assistant Coach
 

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Pittsburgh
Posts: 1,474
Member Number: 3447
Thanks: 125
Thanked 25 Times in 16 Posts
Default Re: 4th Qtr. Collapse not a coincidence anymore

Quote:
Originally Posted by The_WARDen View Post
The offense played like crap but the team was still up 4 AND scored 14 points in the 4th. That means that defense would have had to the bed to lose that game and they did by giving up 3 TDs in 1 qtr to a team that had 10 total TDs in the previous 11 games.

*Newsflash* By the way, Steelers are known for great defense. It is their trademark. That's why people are stunned and why it is so EMBARASSING!
I know that Defense is our trademark and by the way, despite their meltdown Sunday, they're still ranked higher than our offense. 5th vs 7th.

What I'm saying is the Steelers offense is unable to put a lot of points on the board early in the game, despite all the weapons they have. Scoring 0 points in the first quarter 5 times in 12 games is p*ss poor.
Our defense plays without 2 of our best players, Polamalu who is by far the best player we have, and Aaron Smith who's also a key element.

Our offense needs to wake up also and play 60 minutes, not 30. That's all I'm saying.
plenewken is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2009, 03:12 PM   #9
The_WARDen
Head Coach
 
The_WARDen's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 1,699
Gender: Male
Member Number: 7628
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: 4th Qtr. Collapse not a coincidence anymore

Quote:
Originally Posted by plenewken View Post
I know that Defense is our trademark and by the way, despite their meltdown Sunday, they're still ranked higher than our offense. 5th vs 7th.

What I'm saying is the Steelers offense is unable to put a lot of points on the board early in the game, despite all the weapons they have. Scoring 0 points in the first quarter 5 times in 12 games is p*ss poor.
Our defense plays without 2 of our best players, Polamalu who is by far the best player we have, and Aaron Smith who's also a key element.

Our offense needs to wake up also and play 60 minutes, not 30. That's all I'm saying.
I really don't care about rankings because I heard this week that Green Bay has the #1 rated defense...so, that's what rankings mean.

The offense played like crap but still put up 24 points. That should be enough to win that game against that opponent.

Would I love to see the offense score 40? YES! They struggled but when it came down to it they gave the lead back to defense twice at the end and they couldn't hold it either time.

So, I guess we'll agree to disagree.
__________________
After reading the idiotic threads over the past couple of weeks, I ask the question - "Who is worse...Steeler fans or Eagles fans?" Keep in mind that Eagle fans do not know what it's like to win a SB much less 6 and 2 this decade.
The_WARDen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2009, 03:43 PM   #10
plenewken
Assistant Coach
 

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Pittsburgh
Posts: 1,474
Member Number: 3447
Thanks: 125
Thanked 25 Times in 16 Posts
Default Re: 4th Qtr. Collapse not a coincidence anymore

Quote:
Originally Posted by The_WARDen View Post
I really don't care about rankings because I heard this week that Green Bay has the #1 rated defense...so, that's what rankings mean.

The offense played like crap but still put up 24 points. That should be enough to win that game against that opponent.

Would I love to see the offense score 40? YES! They struggled but when it came down to it they gave the lead back to defense twice at the end and they couldn't hold it either time.

So, I guess we'll agree to disagree.
Hey, I enjoy debating with you. Let's just say we have a different perspective.
And I was not just talking about Sunday's game, I showed you what happened since the beginning of the season. If you substract the points given away by our special teams, I'd say our defense played ok considering the injuries. Our offense on the other hand played below expectations since Day1. Mendenhall got benched before he wasn't working hard enough in practice, right? I don't remember the same happening to a defensive player ..... so far.

Have a good one.
plenewken is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:55 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Shoutbox provided by vBShout v6.2.1 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.0.8 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd. Runs best on HiVelocity Hosting.
Navbar with Avatar by Motorradforum
no new posts