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Old 09-16-2009, 12:59 AM   #1
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Default I blame Tomlin....

Tomlin never should have hired coach Z and try to change our system to zone blocking, why?
1- look at coach Z poor record below, the guy got his first coach job in the NFL in his late 50's
2- the finesse zone blocking system is not steeler football
3- our current OL players were brought here to play our old physical system, power running = steeler football, the same system we had for years under coach Cowher and worked so well for us, they are too big and slow for coach Z system

I blame Tomlin. not our RBs or OL

Tomlin failed to realize we do not have the right players to run this system, he never should have hired a coach who has failed, numbers dont lie. Why change? a system that worked for us for so many years

If things stays the same nothing will change, hoepfully Tomlin will correct his mistake



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Year Team.......Sacks...(Rank)...Sack/Attempt...(Rank)....Yd/Carry...(Rank) 

2001 Cleveland...51..........28...........9.137254902.. ...29...........3.2..........31 

2002 Cleveland...35..........14..........15.77142857... ..18............4.............22 

2003 Cleveland...40.........20...........12.725........ .....21...........4.1...........15 

2004 Cleveland...41..........22..........10.70731707... ..27..........3.8............25 

2006 Buffalo.......47..........25...........9.170212766 .....30..........3.7............25 

2007 Pittsburgh...47.........25............9.404255319. ...31..........4.2.............7 

2008 Pittsburgh...49.........29...........10.32653061.. ...29..........3.7.............29 

AVERAGE:........44.29...23.29............11.03..........26.43.......3.81........22.00

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Old 09-16-2009, 01:15 AM   #2
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Default Re: I blame Tomlin....

A Closer Look at Larry Zierlein's Career, Behind the Steel Curtain (a Pittsburgh Steelers blog), June 30, 2008
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com...k-at-larry-zie
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2001(7-9) 17.8 (25th) 84.4 (31st) 175.1 (28th) 51   (4th) 
2002(9-7) 21.5 (19th) 100.9 (23rd) 213.3 (18th) 35 (19th) 
2003(5-11) 15.9 (29th) 104.4 (20th) 177.1 (25th) 40 (13th) 
2004(4-12) 17.25 (27th) 103.6 (23rd) 176.5 (25th) 41 (11th)


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Zierlein gained unwanted notoriety in 2007 when he mistakenly forwarded an inappropriate e-mail to a large number of high-level NFL employees, including commissioner Roger Goodell. The e-mail, which Zierlein had received from Steelers pro personnel coordinator Doug Whaley contained a pornographic video. Zierlein apologized for the gaffe, but was not disciplined by the team or the league.[6]
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Default Re: I blame Tomlin....

I don't blame Tomlin but I didn't realize that Larry Zierlein is "another" former-BUM A$$ Browns assistant coach who's currently on the Steelers coaching staff.

Nuts, it's no wonder that the Steelers are struggling to establish a running game for 2 years running. Firing the morons who once coached with the Browns seems to be the solution.
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Default Re: I blame Tomlin....

You know what?....awesome post!

This isn't another "Fire coach Z!" rant because of what we see on the field...this is statistically a horrible career.

But what can we do about it now? We're stuck with the guy and his scheme for the season.

And we DID win a superbowl with Coach Z....

Again, one game isn't the tale of a season. The O-Line played half decent at the end of the year. AND, I did see some good things from the O-Line against Tennessee.
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AND....(I'm not bashing Arians, I do back the guy).....really one of the biggest problems I see is that we are not calling the right running plays. We're trying to run a power running game behind this "finesse" line. I'm tired of seeing little Willie Parker go up the gut. WP's most dangerous asset, his SPEED, needs to be out in space. I want more toss plays, screen passes with WP, etc. Go AROUND the damn line!!

If we used WP like Philly uses Westbrook....it'd be amazing. Same thing for Mendenhall.

That's why Mewelde is having success in his 3rd down role. DO THAT ON EVERY FREAKING PLAY!!!

Fact for fact, we do NOT have a power running back anymore. Nobody on the roster is the answer for an up-the-gut runner.
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Ok. So now that you blame Tomlin, what do you do about it? Fire the youngest coach ever to win a Super Bowl? At this point complaining about Z is like complaining about BA. You're beating a dead horse. It doesn't matter if it's true or not because it's not gonna change for at least the foreseeable future.
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Ok.

First, thanks for the info, and the fact that it isn't cherrypicked. That makes it much more legitimate a conversation and not some idiotic rant.

However, stats are just stats, and don't present the entire picture.

What I am interested in, is where are those teams as far as passing teams are concerned. Was this scheme and plays used to set up passes? If they were, then while we don't get good numbers, the SCHEME works... as it opens up the game down field. Granted, it is NOT a scheme we may like. But it is one that allows us to score quickly when we have to.
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Default Re: I blame Tomlin....

WOW...nice job Bradshaw ....


I cant believe that guy still has a job ,how is that possible ?

is he working for free or what ?

everything is bad i mean lot of sacks,bad yds per carries...


I say let's stop the fire arians thread and let's start Fire Coach Z instead,heck im sure we'd be better without OL coach than with him
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I don't blame Tomlin but I didn't realize that Larry Zierlein is "another" former-BUM A$$ Browns assistant coach who's currently on the Steelers coaching staff.

Nuts, it's no wonder that the Steelers are struggling to establish a running game for 2 years running. Firing the morons who once coached with the Browns seems to be the solution.
2 mistakes from the lake.......

BA and Z

No Upside there... sorry....
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Gonzo ain't gonna like this at all. See, as he explained it to me, we don't "zone" block. And it was only my cluelessness and lack of deductive reasoning that led me to believe that we did. But I'm sure glad he cleared that up cuz day-ham I was confused.
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