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Old 12-16-2009, 03:24 PM   #1
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Default Therrien vs Tomlin. Penguins vs. Steelers

The first got the ax when his team was on the verge of not making the playoffs last year after going to the Stanley Cup the year before. As you know, the Penguins won the Stanley Cup under the new coach.
The second is pretty much in the same position as Therrien was, but he'll most likely survive the debacle.

Does this mean Lemieux is more demanding than the Rooneys?

I'm not saying Tomlin should be fired, I'm just asking for your opinion on the subject.
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Old 12-16-2009, 04:19 PM   #2
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Default Re: Therrien vs Tomlin. Penguins vs. Steelers

Wow, go go correlative logic with an emphasis on far reaching correlations.

No it doesn't mean Lemieux is more demanding than the Rooneys, they are very different owners with very different teams in very different situations.

Luckily for Pittsburgh and myself, they both are good at what they do.
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Old 12-16-2009, 04:20 PM   #3
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Default Re: Therrien vs Tomlin. Penguins vs. Steelers

No, it means that hockey is a much more "play for now" sport, where coach firings and trades are much more rampant than in football.
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Old 12-16-2009, 05:07 PM   #4
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Default Re: Therrien vs Tomlin. Penguins vs. Steelers

Therrien had the equivalent of 4 football seasons to get his shit together. So I would say the SFO and the PFO are equally as patient.
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Therrien had the equivalent of 4 football seasons to get his shit together. So I would say the SFO and the PFO are equally as patient.

Exactly.

A hockey season is roughly 7 months long and includes 82 games. It's typically broken up into quarters. Even a quarter season of hockey is longer (has more games) than regular season of football. Tomlin would have to go on a 3 year (horrid) losing streak to get fired the way Therrien did.
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Default Re: Therrien vs Tomlin. Penguins vs. Steelers

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The first got the ax when his team was on the verge of not making the playoffs last year after going to the Stanley Cup the year before. As you know, the Penguins won the Stanley Cup under the new coach.
The second is pretty much in the same position as Therrien was, but he'll most likely survive the debacle.

Does this mean Lemieux is more demanding than the Rooneys?

I'm not saying Tomlin should be fired, I'm just asking for your opinion on the subject.
Apples and oranges.

Prior to last season's Stanley Cup win, the Pens hadn't won a Stanley Cup for 16 seasons and Therrien had a plethora of fresh, young talent that wasn't being utilized in accordance with the goals Mario set out to accomplish. It also was a well known fact around the Burgh that Therrien wasn't liked much by his players as he ruled with an iron fist, so to speak. Tomlin, on the other hand, came in and won a Super Bowl in his second season with the Steelers becoming the youngest HC to do so. He put forth a philosophy that not only won over the FO, but the players, and they performed at a high level against all odds of them going to and winning the Super Bowl with such a tough schedule. Prior to Tomlin's hiring, the Steelers won the big prize 2 years ago and had a history of playoff appearances, division and conference titles, unlike the Pens. The situations are almost polar opposites in theory.
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Old 12-16-2009, 09:15 PM   #7
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Default Re: Therrien vs Tomlin. Penguins vs. Steelers

A little off subject but in the same area code.

Shero is the best GM in hockey. I don't think that gets said enough.

Also my son and I are going to the Wachovia Center in Philadelphia tommorow to watch the Pens play the Flyers.
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Like-him-or-not, Therrien did bring accountability to the players, challenge Malkin to become the player he is today (when Crosby was hurt in early '08, Malkin carried the team on his back, at Therrien's urging) today, and it was refreshening to hear a coach 'tell it like it is'

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imagine a football coach saying "what does guy will say if we take..... 50% of der salary, because dey only play 50% of de time?"

The Penguins would've never won the Cup last year with him behind the bench, but he took them within 2 games of the Championship the year before, and he does deserve some of the credit for the team that won in '09:
besides, hockey is a much-more 'fluid' game, with late season trades changing team-chemistry shortly before the playoffs start, unlike football
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The first got the ax when his team was on the verge of not making the playoffs last year after going to the Stanley Cup the year before. As you know, the Penguins won the Stanley Cup under the new coach.
The second is pretty much in the same position as Therrien was, but he'll most likely survive the debacle.

Does this mean Lemieux is more demanding than the Rooneys?

I'm not saying Tomlin should be fired, I'm just asking for your opinion on the subject.
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Shero is the best GM in hockey. I don't think that gets said enough.
Couldn't agree with you more. The guy is money in the bank at putting pieces of the puzzle together perfectly.

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Have a great time, zu, and don't forget the hard helmets.
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