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Old 12-21-2009, 06:02 PM   #21
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Ben is so good, he started at the 19 and still managed to pass for 93 yards on the final drive.
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Old 12-22-2009, 11:52 AM   #22
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Sorry but I will take a victory no matter how it got done. Unfortunately it appears we can't rely on our defense anymore to stop an opponent. Let's not forget that Ben now ranks 5th ALL TIME for most passing yards in an NFL game.
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Old 12-22-2009, 02:30 PM   #23
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Agreed.....BUT, you still don't see too many Superbowl Champions without at least a DECENT running game (top 15) I know Preacher suggests going back and checking the numbers....I did and my earlier post breaks down the numbers....It isn't necessary to be a top ranked rushing team, but the odds go against you if you're weak in that phase of the game.

Balance is good and fine, but I think the issue is that some around here are going nuts over them "not playing Stillers football" by just running the whole game from the power I formation.

That, my friends, is gone. We have a 1000 yard back who didn't play in 5 games this year...that's decent balance. What old school Steeler Nation fanatics need to get over is that you aren't going to run the HB seam or the ISO plays anymore. Just not happening in today's NFL. GET OVER IT!
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Old 12-22-2009, 07:44 PM   #24
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we still won. and i think a victory like that just may have sparked something in that pittsburgh team
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Old 12-22-2009, 08:12 PM   #25
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Balance is good and fine, but I think the issue is that some around here are going nuts over them "not playing Stillers football" by just running the whole game from the power I formation.

That, my friends, is gone. We have a 1000 yard back who didn't play in 5 games this year...that's decent balance. What old school Steeler Nation fanatics need to get over is that you aren't going to run the HB seam or the ISO plays anymore. Just not happening in today's NFL. GET OVER IT!
I think the biggest reason people miss the I formation is that we KNOW that our O line isn't great and we don't have Adrian Peterson in the backfield....hence having a full back lead the attack would make the backs that we have more effective. I'm sure if we had a line that was opening big gaps on a regular basis people would have less issue with it. We know what we see...we have two primary backs and neither of them is quite quick enough to get outside on a regular basis. When we watch them go up the middle we get stuffed quite often...especially on 3rd and short. A big full back would help that situation. I still loved the play when we brought Legursky in as a full back. (I think they used him again for that this past game) Why be adverse to something that works?....and it actually happens quite a bit in "todays NFL"...Steven Jackson, Adrian Barber, Maurice Jones-Drew run out of "I" formation quite a bit....even Chris Johnson sees more "i" formation than we see here in Pittsburgh.

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Old 12-22-2009, 10:04 PM   #26
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When Cowher was here and he would go run-run-pass-punt, people bitched that we needed to throw the ball a but more.

Now that the offense is more tooled to be more even and sometimes pass-heavy, people bitch.
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Preacher....lots of respect for your opinion, but I'm gonna call you out a little on this one. MOST of the SB winners had balanced offensive attacks (which I know you are calling for)...There have been 3 teams in the last 15 SB that have had a significantly higher ranked run offense then passing offense (00' Ravens 5th run-22nd pass, 05 Steelers 5th run-24th pass, 07 Giants 4th run-21 pass)....but even in the balanced offenses there are another 5 winners who had higher ranked running offenses than passing. (95 Cowboys 2nd run-13th pass, 97&98 Broncos 4th&2nd run-9th&7th pass, 01&04 Patriots 13th&7th run-22nd&11th pass) and even among two of the real high flying offenses that were higher ranked in the pass (94 Niners and 99 Rams) they still had good balance (Niners 6th run-4th pass, Rams 5th run-1st pass). Superbowl teams that are way lopsided toward the pass are AS rare as those way lopside toward the run. We need to have BOTH. You don't see many teams win the Superbowl with poor running games. We did last year but we had an astounding defense....Tampa Bay ditto. Even the 06 Colts were still ranked 18th in the run.

I'm sorry, I was actually talking specifically of the SB itself. My argument is that once a team gets into the playoffs, they get to a level of opponents where EVERY opponent can stop the run. Therefore, the teams that win the SB are teams that are balanced to pass first teams. The only team which is a run first team (and continued to be so in teh SB) that won the SB is the Ravens.

Thus, if we want to build a team that can actually win teh SB, we have to build a team that has the ability to throw the ball. That is more important than running it.

That isn't to say we can slack off on the run game, but that all things being equal, the SB game stats tell us IMO that teams which can pass the ball will win more games than teams that can run the ball.

True, absolute balance is the most desirable, but not always possible. So if we have to slide to one side or the other, slide to the pass.

After all, all teh "you can't win in december by throwing the ball in the AFCN" looks a little strange after our last game.
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I'm with you Preacher....if we have a balanced package then we can go to whatever is working against any given opponent once we get to the playoffs. That was definitely a problem during the Cowher regime. We would meet up against good defenses that would stack 7 or 8 in the box and simply dare us to throw and we usually weren't able to execute well.

To this day I still remember attending my first Steelers game after being a long time fan...the 95 AFC championship game against the Chargers....we couldn't move the ball the whole game, gave up a big pass play and TD and needed to come back. Neil O'donnell drove us the length of the field and with 1st and goal from the 5 we attempted to run it until we had no choice on 4th down. Cowher took the ball out of the hands of the QB when we were unable to run the ball ALL DAY....very disappointing.
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When Cowher was here and he would go run-run-pass-punt, people bitched that we needed to throw the ball a but more.

Now that the offense is more tooled to be more even and sometimes pass-heavy, people bitch.

Ahhh...the joys and frustrations of being a rational football fan are thrown right out the window when you are a Yinzer...
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I think the biggest reason people miss the I formation is that we KNOW that our O line isn't great and we don't have Adrian Peterson in the backfield....hence having a full back lead the attack would make the backs that we have more effective. I'm sure if we had a line that was opening big gaps on a regular basis people would have less issue with it. We know what we see...we have two primary backs and neither of them is quite quick enough to get outside on a regular basis. When we watch them go up the middle we get stuffed quite often...especially on 3rd and short. A big full back would help that situation. I still loved the play when we brought Legursky in as a full back. (I think they used him again for that this past game) Why be adverse to something that works?....and it actually happens quite a bit in "todays NFL"...Steven Jackson, Adrian Barber, Maurice Jones-Drew run out of "I" formation quite a bit....even Chris Johnson sees more "i" formation than we see here in Pittsburgh.
Does it happen? Sure, but it isn't the focal point of most offenses anymore. The Steelers have a pro bowl (and future HoF in my opinion) QB...you have to cater to his talents. I believe in balance and I think the Steelers do have that, at least given the talent deficit at OL. Ben will win you games.

The biggest problem this year is the lack of a pass rush and the horrendous play of the secondary as a result. We miss Aaron Smith and Troy much more then anything else. Otherwise, they are playing well. If the defense was it's normal self, we wouldn't even be talking about the O as they are putting enough points up to normally win, only to have the D give up long drives for TD's in the 4th quarter. We are also controlling time of possession. It's long been a myth to Steeler fans that running the ball is the only way to win.
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