Retire Clemente's 21??

[RoethlisBURGHer]

Originally Posted by SteelerDan43

Ok well I will respectfully disagree lol...

I think I may be on the outside looking in on this because I am not a Pirates fan,therefore you guys feel much differently about it than I do.

So do we end up retiring Puljos's (sp?) number after he retires because he will have advanced Latin players in the game of baseball?

What about Ichiro or Hideki Matsui?By the end of thier careers they will be looked upon as icons for Japanese players?

[SteelerDan43]

Originally Posted by RoethlisBURGHer

I think I may be on the outside looking in on this because I am not a Pirates fan,therefore you guys feel much differently about it than I do.

So do we end up retiring Puljos's (sp?) number after he retires because he will have advanced Latin players in the game of baseball?

What about Ichiro or Hideki Matsui?By the end of thier careers they will be looked upon as icons for Japanese players?

The difference between them and Clemente is that Clemente went through racial issues that the players you mentioned didnt. He went throught that as the first widely popular latin player as Robinson did for the blacks. Even in the Pittsburgh media he was treated like a baseball playing monkey when in reality he was a very articulate man who just didnt speak the language well. These racial issues are not a problem for these latin players now due mostly in part to clemente (yes I know there were a few before him but he was the first major figure).

[RoethlisBURGHer]

Originally Posted by SteelerDan43

The difference between them and Clemente is that Clemente went through racial issues that the players you mentioned didnt. He went throught that as the first widely popular latin player as Robinson did for the blacks. Even in the Pittsburgh media he was treated like a baseball playing monkey when in reality he was a very articulate man who just didnt speak the language well. These racial issues are not a problem for these latin players now due mostly in part to clemente (yes I know there were a few before him but he was the first major figure).

Okay,now I see where you're coming from.

Also,on another note,I think Robinson's daughter doesn't want Clemente's number retired by MLB not because of what her dad endured,but so she can live on as the daughter of the only man with that distinction.

[SteelerDan43]

I agree Robinson's daughter doesnt have good intentions

[Stlrs4Life]

Originally Posted by SteelerDan43

There is an ongoing coo about wether or not to retire Roberto Clemente's 21 league wide. Jackie Robinson's daughter says it should only be her father who has the distinction of having his number retired and that Clemente did not go through what her father did so he should not have his number retired. I think they should retire Clemente's number also, he did for hispanics what Robinson did for african americans... Clemente is an icon of the hispanic community. People will say he didn't recieve the amount of racial abuse Robinson did but lets remeber when Clemente came into the league because he could barely speak any english was basically treated like a baseball playing monkey when in reality he was very a very articulate man who just didnt know english. Also lets not forget his humanitarian contributions that eventually brought his untimely death... Lets retire 21!!!

As far as I'm concerned, Robinsons daughter can go FH, I appreciate what her dad di, but he played for another team. Clemente played for the Bucs. She doesn't own the number 21.

[STEELERDYNASTY]

Clemente is the latin version of Jackie Robinson.....he was refered to as a "double ******" because he was black and could not speak english.....HELL YES his number should be retired!