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Old 01-12-2010, 11:46 AM   #11
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Default Re: Relative to other QB's, how much film study do you think Ben does?

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2) Which brings me to my second point. Equating a sack to an incomplete pass is ludicrous, they are both bad things to happen, but very different.
Why? The play that's called is a pass play. It isn't completed. The play loses yards. The effect is the same. I understand that QB can't always throw the ball away, but in many cases it's the QB's decision. I don't see why the QB should be given a break. He knows damn well that throwing the ball away is better than getting sacked because you don't lose the yardage. And if he's not good enough to avoid the sack, i.e. if he can't read the defense quickly enough to either roll out to avoid the rush or to get far enough outside the pocket so he can chuck it out of bounds, then that should count against him. Yean you get some of the sacks in which the offensive line gave it up, but the other QB's get those too.
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Old 01-12-2010, 11:48 AM   #12
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Default Re: Relative to other QB's, how much film study do you think Ben does?

Vrabinec, that is an interesting evaluation that you have done. I think it brings into account the fact that some QB's would rather take the sack than have the incomplete pass on their statline. Also would have to consider the fact that some QB's would rather the sack than the risk of INT.

Either way, its a neat bit of food for discussion, but it really shows how much statistics can be changed, tweeked and manipulated to show different things. Its probably why in training camp, the coaches dont look at a players DVOA to evaluate him.......that is best left to the fantasy football crowd.
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Old 01-12-2010, 11:55 AM   #14
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Default Re: Relative to other QB's, how much film study do you think Ben does?

Oh, and to the topic of this thread...I dont think Ben watches as much film as at least 50% of the other QB's in the NFL. He has said in the past that he doesnt watch that much game film.... Yeah, I think he could improve if he did more, but he's probably working on other stuff, like his short game.

Tough to complain about a kid with 2 rings who will probably get the last minute call to play in the Pro Bowl this year.
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I can't find a link but I do remember hearing on the news that Ben watches a lot of game film and that he watches it on a 15 foot projector screen.
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Default Re: Relative to other QB's, how much film study do you think Ben does?

i would also add that ben is a bit behind the learning curve. he started playing qb at the age of 17 or 18?

qb's such as brady, manning, rivers, elway, favre, etc. have been breaking down gamefilm and studying defenses with their daddys since they were 5.
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i would also add that ben is a bit behind the learning curve. he started playing qb at the age of 17 or 18?

qb's such as brady, manning, rivers, elway, favre, etc. have been breaking down gamefilm and studying defenses with their daddys since they were 5.
Oh yeah. All the more reason he should be locked away in a film room.
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Default Re: Relative to other QB's, how much film study do you think Ben does?

I just don't get it.

He has a record year, and does nearly as much as anyone could ask, but we'll pick apart that he doesn't watch enough film with absolutely no proof?

Okay.
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I just don't get it.

He has a record year, and does nearly as much as anyone could ask, but we'll pick apart that he doesn't watch enough film with absolutely no proof?

Okay.
Sigh, okay, so the majority here think Ben is as good as he's gonna get, and that he does everything he can to be as good as he can. So, we can't improve there. Where do you guys think we can improve? Because, nobody's talking about mendenhall either, it's all about the corners and safeties and guards, but IMO Mendy has a LOT of room for impovement too, and HE needs to watch a lot of film as well. I mean, did he run ONE pass play right, coming out of the backfield into the flat? Every team can improve, and every player can improve. Limiting the suggestions as to which players is gonna make a long off-season even longer.

I wonder if Colts fans sat back the first time Manning had a 100 rating and a 4000 yards season and said "This is as good as this guy is gonna get. He doesn't need to watch any more film"
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I can't find a link but I do remember hearing on the news that Ben watches a lot of game film and that he watches it on a 15 foot projector screen.
Yeah...he's even had other players over at his house watching game film. So he does study it for sure. You don't put up the numbers he has if you don't watch game film. Ben's issue is that he always wants the big play, and that is why he takes so many sacks, more so than not watching a lot of game film. Still though, I agree with the OP's general premise that there is always room for improvement, and Ben is no exception. Peyton Manning still studies hours upon hours of game film to this day, and he just won his 4th MVP. Nothing wrong with always wanting to be on top of your game.
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