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Old 01-12-2010, 12:07 PM   #1
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Default Dick LeBeau. Has the game passed him by?

I know he lost his best defensive lineman,and his best overall player, the fulcrum of his defense for the majority of the season, but should that stand as an excuse?


Is Ike Taylor's drop off in play because LeBeau was deploying him wrong? Did James Harrison go sackless his last 7 games because he wasn't being utilized right? I mean many of the problems that we saw last season first cropped up in in the 4th quarter of SB XIII. Maybe it's time for Dick" to get on with his life's work?"

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Old 01-12-2010, 12:14 PM   #2
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Default Re: Dick LeBeau. Has the game passed him by?

I'm pretty sure I saw a lot of plays by the defense where the guys were in position to make plays and just missed out on making the plays. Not because of scheme, as much as due to under performance but men who are supposed to be Elite at the positions they play.

Dropped Ints, Missed Tackles, Missed sacks, calling the wrong play in the huddle and having two guys blitz instead of one and leaving a rookie exposed.

I'm not sure the 3-4 blitzing defense is what was wrong with the defense this year, although, I do fault Dick for attempting to deploy the same style defense when he first lost Troy, but using Carter in his place, which was clearly a mistake. Carter doesn't have 1/10th the talent that Troy P has. But he corrected that I thought during the 5 game losing streak, and it wasn't like anyone blew us out this year.

Yes, the inside slant pass will kill a 3-4 Blitz with the Safeties covering over the top of Both Wide Outs (that's the super bowl play Fitz caught for a TD)

yes, its a risk reward type attacking style defense that sometimes gets you a sack fumble return for TD or gives up a 60 yards slant pass for a TD.

But it stops the Run
It sacks QB
And it is Supposed to create Turnovers, our guys just can't catch the ball when it hits them right in the face.
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Default Re: Dick LeBeau. Has the game passed him by?

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I'm pretty sure I saw a lot of plays by the defense where the guys were in position to make plays and just missed out on making the plays. Not because of scheme, as much as due to under performance but men who are supposed to be Elite at the positions they play.

Dropped Ints, Missed Tackles, Missed sacks, calling the wrong play in the huddle and having two guys blitz instead of one and leaving a rookie exposed.

I'm not sure the 3-4 blitzing defense is what was wrong with the defense this year, although, I do fault Dick for attempting to deploy the same style defense when he first lost Troy, but using Carter in his place, which was clearly a mistake. Carter doesn't have 1/10th the talent that Troy P has. But he corrected that I thought during the 5 game losing streak, and it wasn't like anyone blew us out this year.

Yes, the inside slant pass will kill a 3-4 Blitz with the Safeties covering over the top of Both Wide Outs (that's the super bowl play Fitz caught for a TD)

yes, its a risk reward type attacking style defense that sometimes gets you a sack fumble return for TD or gives up a 60 yards slant pass for a TD.

But it stops the Run
It sacks QB
And it is Supposed to create Turnovers, our guys just can't catch the ball when it hits them right in the face.
Good answers dino.
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Old 01-12-2010, 12:21 PM   #4
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Default Re: Dick LeBeau. Has the game passed him by?

The game did not pass him by. But I do wished he had apply more pressuer and blitz in the 4th when needed.
He seems to have abcked off a little in 4th and seems to be hesitant. I say push the pedal to the floor
for 4 full qtrs. Not just part of the game. No 60 minute men here.
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Default Re: Dick LeBeau. Has the game passed him by?

Great post Dino. Now here is my take on it, when we started running the 3-4 D I beleive we were one of the first ones to start using it. Now it seems like alot of teams are running it, so it is becoming easier to scout and game plan against when your own defense runs the 3-4. When you see it all the time in practice you can find the weak spots and find plays that will defeat the defense. Plus, Troy and Aaron being out killed us, and the secondary, well......
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Default Re: Dick LeBeau. Has the game passed him by?

There's no doubt in my mind the Steelers will have a top 5 defense next year.
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The game did not pass him by. But I do wished he had apply more pressuer and blitz in the 4th when needed.
He seems to have abcked off a little in 4th and seems to be hesitant. I say push the pedal to the floor
for 4 full qtrs. Not just part of the game. No 60 minute men here.
Gotta remember also, our Defense didn't get much of a rest break. The offense wasn't sustaining drives that well this year, and therefore our D was on the field a ton. Not good when you are an aging unit.
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Default Re: Dick LeBeau. Has the game passed him by?

no. infact, we have more teams than ever trying to emmulate the steelers defense. the game has yet to even catch up with him, let alone pass him by.
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Default Re: Dick LeBeau. Has the game passed him by?

On third down, our defense seems to either get a sack (or near sack), or else give up a 15-yard catch and run. This year we were backing off and trying to play straight-up too many times, especially late in the game, and it hurt us.

Also, one better timed play here or there (e.g. Burnett not dropping the ball against the Raiders) and we still make the playoffs and aren't having this discussion.
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There's no doubt in my mind the Steelers will have a top 5 defense next year.
They had a top 5 defense this year. The problem was that they often faltered with the game on the line.

Anyway, I don't believe the game has passed him by. His scheme, while it does have obvious flaws, is solid and a proven winner. I DO think, however, he was way too passive in the 2nd half of games and especially in the 4th quarter. He should be aggressive from start to finish in every game - no soft zone or prevent defense. All that does is get your secondary shredded. I'd rather get beat while being aggressive rather than sitting back and letting the opposing O pick them apart.
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