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Old 04-04-2010, 12:59 AM   #1
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Default What to do with Ben and Santonio?

What to do with Ben and Santonio?
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Posted Apr 3, 2010

Pittsburgh officials would like to take more serious action than the few statements they've issued on the legal predicaments of their Super Bowl heroes ...

... quarterback Ben Roethlisberger and wide receiver Santonio Holmes, but their hands are tied for now.

Until authorities in Georgia either charge Roethlisberger or announce no charges will be filed, there is little the Steelers or the NFL can do. If he is charged, Roethlisberger can be suspended by the NFL and/or the Steelers.

As for Holmes, police will re-open a case involving a woman in Orlando, Fla., who accused him of throwing a glass filled with alcohol in her face and has filed a civil lawsuit. Holmes denies the incident altogether.

The combination of these two incidents coupled with Roethlisberger fighting a civil lawsuit in Nevada where a woman accused him of sexual assault has rocked the organization. Talk shows are filled with debate on a daily basis and most of it does not shed any positive light on the Steelers or coach Mike Tomlin.

It has reached a point where the team might seriously be thinking beyond suspensions. This is the fourth legal issue for Holmes since the Steelers drafted him in 2006. His ramblings on Twitter over the past week also have embarrassed the organization.

Neither player has been working out at the team's facility. Their teammates are paying for it, having to answer questions. Defensive end Aaron Smith, as straightforward as they come, agreed to address two dozen media members who turned out this past Monday for the start of veteran offseason workouts. Nearly every question pitched at Smith dealt with Holmes and with Roethlisberger and the fact the quarterback would not be working out with his teammates.

"Honestly, most of the stuff outside of here doesn't affect us," Smith said. "Guys come here, lift their weights, they run, they do their football, they go to meetings, and they go about their business and go home to their families and children."

Steelers' president Art Rooney issued another statement this week, this time on Holmes, that said he was "disappointed."

Smith said his teammates weren't spending much time on the matter and had no opinions on whether Roethlisberger would be suspended or not.

"I don't think we've even thought about that," Smith said. "If that ever arises, when that comes, then we'll deal with that."

PLAYER/PERSONNEL NOTES

* Defensive end Aaron Smith, 34, has been working out daily at the Steelers' facility and believes he can come back strong in 2010 after rotator cuff surgery ended his season last Oct. 11.

"It's all how you perform," Smith said. "I don't think my body is wearing down. As far as me going out and performing, that will be the criteria, just like a guy in this second year trying to make the team. If you don't go out and do the job, you're too old."

Smith has started at left end for 10 mostly injury-free years. However, he tore his right rotator cuff in the second game of last season after a biceps tear prematurely ended his 2007 season. Before his latest injury, he was as dominant as ever and showing no signs of slowing down.

"When they looked at it, it was a clean tear," Smith said. "There was no degeneration, like I had broken down the fibers and wore it out. They said it was just a fluke thing. That was a good sign, and that's why I would have a good result with the surgery. It's not like it's degenerated over time, it was just one of those weird injuries. It was just luck of the draw. I should have brought a lottery ticket or something."

Without him, the Super Bowl XLIII champs slipped to 9-7 and did not reach the playoffs.

"It's not fun watching football," Smith said. "I enjoy participating in it, but I don't enjoy watching football right now."

The day is approaching when he no longer will be able to play, but he hopes that is not the case in 2010.

"Age is relative. It depends on the individual. I think some people age faster than others."

The Steelers drafted defensive end Ziggy Hood in the first round last year but he likely will play behind Smith for a second straight season, barring injury. Brett Keisel will again be their starting right defensive end.

"I thought he did well," Smith said of Hood. "He has a way to go but I have not seen a rookie perform to the level he has. As far as picking things up, learning, being a sponge."

* The Steelers will open the preseason at home against Detroit, play their second game at the New York Giants, play their third on Aug. 29 at Denver and finish with a home game against Carolina, likely on Sept. 2. Other than the game in Denver, specific dates and times will be set later.

* The Steelers signed veteran backup quarterback Charlie Batch two a two-year contract after he became a free agent. Batch, 35, has been with the Steelers the past eight seasons, mostly as their No. 2 quarterback. However, Dennis Dixon likely will take over that job in 2010 and, as long as Ben Roethlisberger is on the team, Batch could serve as No. 3. Dixon moved up to No. 2 and stayed there after Batch broke his wrist during a Nov. 22 game in Kansas City.

* Art Rooney Jr. and former Steelers greats such as Rocky Bleier, Mel Blount and L.C. Greenwood will celebrate their 1979 Super Bowl team the night of the NFL draft, April 22.

* Director of football operations Kevin Colbert is in the final year of his contract. Many reports have had him joining former Steelers coach Bill Cowher if he coaches for another team in the future: "My reaction is I'm perfectly happy working with the Pittsburgh Steelers and the future will take care of itself," Colbert said.

* QUOTE TO NOTE: "He's kind of a fun guy. He enjoys having fun, joking around and going about his business. He's just a jovial kind of person when he's around here." -- DE Aaron Smith on QB Ben Roethlisberger

STRATEGY AND PERSONNEL

A total of 13 draft-eligible players visited the Steelers this week, from Monday through Thursday: Penn State linebacker Navarro Bowman, Purdue defensive lineman Michael Neal, Wake Forest offensive lineman Chris DeGeare, Kansas safety Darrell Stuckey, Tennessee guard Jacques McClendon, Indiana tackle Rodger Saffold, cornerbacks Nolan Carroll of Maryland, Kareem Jackson of Alabama and Kyle Wilson of Boise State, Alabama-Birmingham wide receiver Joe Webb, Marshall linebacker Albert McClellan, Wake Forest defensive back Brandon Ghee and South Carolina linebacker Eric Norwood.
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Old 04-04-2010, 04:07 AM   #2
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Default Re: What to do with Ben and Santonio?

While the Steelers are in for some major decisions in the future with Ben and Santonio, I cant help but remember what happened to Plaxico Burress his last couple years with the Steelers. He was not happy and missed meetings and got in bad favor with the organization. I kept thinking that the Steelers would have a litte talk with him and then resign him, but they showed me that I know very little about the business I guess. They let him go and it was the right mover on their part. Now it comes to Santonio Holmes. . . The guy has helped us win Super Bowls and made an Awesome catch that sealed the last one. I can almost see the Headlines Reading Now on the Post-Gazette paper the day after they let him go... Super Bowl Hero Will Be Missed.
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I believe they will let the Ben saga play out, but IMO this will be his last chance with the team. As for Santo, there have been too many disruptions wit him the past few years. I love him as a football player, but with his contract coming up I don't think he will be resigned. Perhaps the time is near or on us to trade him , maybe get a 2nd or 3rd, and move on. It also might help Ben straighten out aswell.
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I believe they will let the Ben saga play out, but IMO this will be his last chance with the team. As for Santo, there have been too many disruptions wit him the past few years. I love him as a football player, but with his contract coming up I don't think he will be resigned. Perhaps the time is near or on us to trade him , maybe get a 2nd or 3rd, and move on. It also might help Ben straighten out aswell.
no question i will be his last his chance and these allegations have just made his being here all the more harder. Granted he's innocent but the way the media have played it the Steelers back board will want him on his A game or by the end of the seaosn he'll be out on his arse :(
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Default Re: What to do with Ben and Santonio?

Either keep both or get rid of both, depending upon how future events unfold of course. You keep Ben and get rid of Santonio and the team is likely to divide, possibly upon racial lines. By establishing such a clear double standard, regardless of reason, you wouldn't be doing Ben any favors, if it's your intent that he reestablish himself amongst his teammates. Which is absolutley essential for him to do if he is to remain a viable leader on the team. Put it this way, if Ben ever does get his current prediciment behind him he's going to need to do some major fence mending in the locker room. Enforcing such a blatant double standard would hurt that cause greatly imo.
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I still believe if there is no charges against them then they should stil be able still play for the Steelers and there should not be no suspensions.
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Either keep both or get rid of both, depending upon how future events unfold of course. You keep Ben and get rid of Santonio and the team is likely to divide, possibly upon racial lines. By establishing such a clear double standard, regardless of reason, you wouldn't be doing Ben any favors, if it's your intent that he reestablish himself amongst his teammates. Which is absolutley essential for him to do if he is to remain a viable leader on the team. Put it this way, if Ben ever does get his current prediciment behind him he's going to need to do some major fence mending in the locker room. Enforcing such a blatant double standard would hurt that cause greatly imo.
You make a very valid argument , I believe Santo's days are numbered because of his contract, that is why I advocate a trade now, it is much easier to replace a WR than a franchise QB. I think because of Bens position and IF no charges are laid he will get another chance with the team. But, if he can't get things straightened out and that includes the locker room, then he will be gone as well. IMO
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You make a very valid argument , I believe Santo's days are numbered because of his contract, that is why I advocate a trade now, it is much easier to replace a WR than a franchise QB. I think because of Bens position and IF no charges are laid he will get another chance with the team. But, if he can't get things straightened out and that includes the locker room, then he will be gone as well. IMO
This will boil down to what is best for the Team in terms of win/loss. Homes' contract is up this year. If Sweed gets it together (if he even gets a chance and I think now he might) then I think Santonio is as good as gone.
Ben will be given more rope because (as was pointed out) a franchise QB is harder to find but there is a limit and I think they've both pushed the envelope.

History has shown us the FO doesn't tolerate this kind of behavior but is the policy changing? I hope not. As much talent as these two have they are not above the rules.
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Cut'em both. Here's to Dixon to Wallace 2010.

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The thing with Holmes is he is golden in the playoffs like Reggie Jackson. He comes on strong in the second half of the season and then makes big plays when it counts.

Holmes and BB should have a heart-to-heart sit down with management and let it be known they have their issues under control. Holmes should rediscover the humility he had immediately after the SB. He may have to settle for an incentive laden contract to resign.

BB is on a short leash and playing or being cut is the least of his problems right now.
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