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Old 04-06-2010, 10:32 AM   #1
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...my-iraq-attack

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A secret video showing US air crew falsely claiming to have encountered a firefight in Baghdad and then laughing at the dead after launching an air strike that killed a dozen people, including two Iraqis working for Reuters news agency, was revealed by Wikileaks today.

The footage of the July 2007 attack was made public in a move that will further anger the Pentagon, which has drawn up a report identifying the whistleblower website as a threat to national security. The US defence department was embarrassed when that confidential report appeared on the Wikileaks site last month alongside a slew of military documents.

The release of the video from Baghdad also comes shortly after the US military admitted that its special forces attempted to cover up the killings of three Afghan women in a raid in February by digging the bullets out of their bodies.

The newly released video of the Baghdad attacks was recorded on one of two Apache helicopters hunting for insurgents on 12 July 2007. Among the dead were a 22-year-old Reuters photographer, Namir Noor-Eldeen, and his driver, Saeed Chmagh, 40. The Pentagon blocked an attempt by Reuters to obtain the video through a freedom of information request. Wikileaks director Julian Assange said his organisation had to break through encryption by the military to view it.

In the recording, the helicopter crews can be heard discussing the scene on the street below. One American claims to have spotted six people with AK-47s and one with a rocket-propelled grenade. It is unclear if some of the men are armed but Noor-Eldeen can be seen with a camera. Chmagh is talking on his mobile phone.

One of the helicopter crew is then heard saying that one of the group is shooting. But the video shows there is no shooting or even pointing of weapons. The men are standing around, apparently unperturbed.

The lead helicopter, using the moniker Crazyhorse, opens fire. "Hahaha. I hit 'em," shouts one of the American crew. Another responds a little later: "Oh yeah, look at those dead bastards."

One of the men on the ground, believed to be Chmagh, is seen wounded and trying to crawl to safety. One of the helicopter crew is heard wishing for the man to reach for a gun, even though there is none visible nearby, so he has the pretext for opening fire: "All you gotta do is pick up a weapon." A van draws up next to the wounded man and Iraqis climb out. They are unarmed and start to carry the victim to the vehicle in what would appear to be an attempt to get him to hospital. One of the helicopters opens fire with armour-piercing shells. "Look at that. Right through the windshield," says one of the crew. Another responds with a laugh.

Sitting behind the windscreen were two children who were wounded.

After ground forces arrive and the children are discovered, the American air crew blame the Iraqis. "Well it's their fault for bringing kids in to a battle," says one. "That's right," says another.

Initially the US military said that all the dead were insurgents. Then it claimed the helicopters reacted to an active firefight. Assange said that the video demonstrated that neither claim was true.

"Why would anyone be so relaxed with two Apaches if someone was carrying an RPG and that person was an enemy of the United States?" he said. "The behaviour of the pilots is like a computer game. When Saeed is crawling, clearly unable to do anything, their response is: come on buddy, we want to kill you, just pick up a weapon ... It appears to be a desire to get a higher score, or a higher number of kills."

Wikileaks says it will shortly release a second secret US military video showing the deaths of civilians in an attack in Afghanistan. The Pentagon has been seeking ways to prevent classified material appearing on Wikileaks, including through "criminal sanctions". Wikileaks has made public classified US army reports on weapons, military units and battle strategy in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The Pentagon report, reflecting the depth of paranoia about where Wikileaks is obtaining its material, speculates that the CIA may be responsible. But perhaps most embarrassing leak for the US defence department was that of the 2008 report itself which appeared on the Wikileaks site last month.
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Old 04-06-2010, 11:52 AM   #2
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As an ex soldier with some degree of training in urban warfare....A couple of things are very obvious about the footage.

1) It assumes that the entire context of the battle through the viewpoint of one camera. If the firefight was several blocks from this engagement and the helicopters in question were seeking out enemy reinforcments or compatants who have just left the area of conflict... then the context of shooting at armed insurgents is greatly changed.

2) It hints at the "possibility" that there was noone armed at the time of engagement...even a cursory viewing of the tape shows that at 3:20 you can see one person leaning on his weapon in the upper right hand corner of the screen. At 3:38 you can see another person walking with a weapon. These are NOT the two that are identified as carrying cameras and there is no way that either of those two men in the tape could be confused as such. This is purposefully misleading because it presents at least the doubt that those who were shot at were armed insurgents...and even seems to suggest that noone involved was an insurgent at all.

3) It uses the language and attitudes of soldiers throughout the world..as "proof" that the Americans were "looking for a pretext" to shoot "civilians". If that proved guilt...then lock me away. I can't tell you how many times I told my team..."Oh yea, let that bastard make a bad move...PLEASE give me an excuse to gift wrap his ass on a one way trip to his 40 virgins"!!!

Its the way that soldiers talk...you get jaded and hard, to compensate for emotions that are very unpleasant. It doesnt make tou WANT to kill people, it is just a way of dealing with the fact that you HAVE to kill people. To equate a soldier saying "please pick up a weapon" as a pretext for an unjustifiable shooting, shows a lack of experience on behalf of the writer.


If I was presented this tape as an Officer of the United States Armed Forces... I would say that it presents enough to warrant an investigation. However, without the correct context, it does warrant the immediate condemnation that the writer of the article would have the reader think.

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My question is over the last 10-15 years why does it seem that the US Media is trying to find ways to paint American Soldiers as bad people?
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My question is over the last 10-15 years why does it seem that the US Media is trying to find ways to paint American Soldiers as bad people?
Looks like that's the UK.
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Looks like that's the UK.
Specifically, The Guardian....notorious hypoctrically left wing paper that was against the first Persian Gulf war...before it was for it....before it was against it again.
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My question is over the last 10-15 years why does it seem that the US Media is trying to find ways to paint American Soldiers as bad people?
Because they want the other team to win?

"last 10-15 years"? That @#$% has been the drumbeat since the 60s. The "media" are leftist shills that have abandoned all pretext of "objectivity".
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Samuel L. Jackson would love this thread.
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Looks like that's the UK.
They missed that part entirely... not that it matters, of course, since Britain is just another US state, really. It's like New Jersey, but with nuclear weapons and less Italians.
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They missed that part entirely...
"They" actually, didnt.....try looking back and using some reading comprehension. Half-a-truth is called a lie.
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I don't care much for the way they paint our soldiers as GTA gamers that target and kill innocent people when they bored to rack up points. Unless the writer of that article has ever been to war, ever been shot at, been attacked by the enemy, or watched people/friends/fellow soldiers die in front of him then he should keep his opinions and articles to himself! If it was be out there witnessing those things then I would be saying the same if not worse.

LLT, Thank you for injecting a little logic to this thread!
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