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Old 04-15-2010, 10:48 AM   #1
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Default Breaking Down The Cost Of Trading Up

The Steeler nation has talked a lot lately about the possibility of trading up or down in the up coming draft. The Steelers front office has pretty much been quiet on the matter but by looking at Pittsburghs draft placement...their prospect visits...and their draft needs, we can at least speculate as to what they may do.

cbssports.com has a comprehensive list of players by rank based on the scouting reports compiled by and in conjuction with nfldraftscout.com.

A quick study of the rating reveals something pretty interesting. There are players sprinkled throughout the ratings from the 1st round to UDFA's, who Pittsburgh may desire....HOWEVER, when determining what round we may be targeting I noticed the incredible amount of talent with those players ranked between 50-100. That is the mid protion of the 2nd round to the end of the 3rd round. I personally see 27 players in that range that we may target for one reason or the other

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52) Lamarr Houston DT Texas 6-3 305
53) Koa Misi OLB Utah 6-3 251
55) Arrelious Benn WR Illinois 6-1 219
60) Linval Joseph DT East Carolina 6-5 328 5.09
61) Alex Carrington DE Arkansas State 6-5 285 4.92
63) Sean Lee ILB Penn State 6-2 236 4.71
64) Torrell Troup DT UCF 6-3 314 5.12
67) Cam Thomas DT North Carolina 6-4 330
68) Corey Wootton DE Northwestern 6-6 270
69) Akwasi Owusu-Ansah CB Indiana (PA) 6-0 207
70) Eric Decker WR Minnesota 6-3 217
72) Navorro Bowman OLB Penn State 6-1 242
73) Eric Norwood OLB South Carolina 6-1 242
74) Carlton Mitchell WR South Florida 6-3 215
75) Jared Veldheer OT Hillsdale 6-8 312
79) Donald Butler ILB Washington 6-1 245
81) Al Woods DT LSU 6-4 309
82) Taylor Price WR Ohio 6-1 204
83 John Jerry OT Mississippi 6-6 328
84) Dorin Dickerson WR/TE Pittsburgh 6-2 226
85) Toby Gerhart RB Stanford 6-0 231
87) Dominique Franks CB Oklahoma 5-11 194
89) Jacoby Ford WR Clemson 5-09 186
90) Ricky Sapp OLB Clemson 6-4 252
94) Matt Tennant C Boston College 6-5 300
96) Major Wright FS Florida 6-0 206
99) Brandon Spikes ILB Florida 6-3 249

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...r&start_row=51
Now lets consider our draft picks...and their values.

Round 1, Pick 18 (18).............................................. ..........900 points
Round 2, Pick 20 (52).............................................. ..........380 points
Round 3, Pick 18 (82).............................................. ..........180 points
Round 4, Pick 18 (116)............................................. ...........62 points
Round 5, Pick 20 (151)............................................. ...........31 points
Round 5, Pick 24 (155) (From Eagles through Jets)..29.4 points
Round 5, Pick 33 (164) (Compensatory selection)
Round 5, Pick 35 (166) (Compensatory selection)
Round 6, Pick 19 (188)............................................. .........16.2 points
Round 7, Pick 18 (225)............................................. ...............2 points
Round 7, Pick 35 (242) (Compensatory selection)

Based on the draft trade chart it would cost us a 4th and two 5th's to get back into the lower portion of that third round range and get one of those talented players.

Personally I would go for it. That would give us 4 picks in the top 100...and we could end the 3rd round with a CB, NT, OT, and WR

We could very easily walk away with CB Kyle Wilson...NT Torrell Troup...OT Jerad Veldherr...WR Taylor Price.

Is it worth it? Is there any player on that list that you think is worth a trade up at that price?

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Is it worth it? Is there any player on that list that you think is worth a trade up at that price?
Just one...

I think you know, I'm on board.

value of our 4th, 2-5ths, 6th and 7th equals about 140, or the 90th pick. (late 3rd)

I know it would be impossible to bundle that in a singe deal, but we could move a couple of our existing picks up with a couple separate deals.

What are we going to do with 11+ more players? Probably cut about half, that's what.
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First let me say, your format is beautiful. Very well done, easy to read and understand. Second, I totally agree with you, and your facts are dead on correct. I to have been looking into this, and looking at some teams that might be willing to do business. I feel the Saints might be a good trading partner. The Saints own the 95th pick in round 3. But have only 3 picks after the 3rd round. And if we did offer our two tradeable 5th rounders, and our 4th rounder at 116, well that has a total Point value of 122 Pts. And the 95th selection has a point value of 120 Pts. Seems like a good deal to me. But to be honest sir. I would probably try to first convince Philly to deal up to 18 for their picks at 24 and their second 3rd rounder at 87. That way we can still select 4 players in the first 3 rounds. And still have plenty of picks later down the draft. And, depending on who is still there in the 4th round, or 5th rounds, we maybe can package them for a better selection next year. Like say our 4th for a 2011 3rd ? Or maybe a team that has no 5th rounders in this draft MIGHT offer us a 3rd rounder for our picks at 151 &155 ?


It's all speculation. But it's still fun. Again, very nice job sir, well done.
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Just one...

I think you know, I'm on board.

value of our 4th, 2-5ths, 6th and 7th equals about 140, or the 90th pick. (late 3rd)

I know it would be impossible to bundle that in a singe deal, but we could move a couple of our existing picks up with a couple separate deals.

What are we going to do with 11+ more players? Probably cut about half, that's what.
Do you think that the 50-100 rankings is about right for a trade?
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First let me say, your format is beautiful. Very well done, easy to read and understand. Second, I totally agree with you, and your facts are dead on correct. I to have been looking into this, and looking at some teams that might be willing to do business. I feel the Saints might be a good trading partner. The Saints own the 95th pick in round 3. But have only 3 picks after the 3rd round. And if we did offer our two tradeable 5th rounders, and our 4th rounder at 116, well that has a total Point value of 122 Pts. And the 95th selection has a point value of 120 Pts. Seems like a good deal to me. But to be honest sir. I would probably try to first convince Philly to deal up to 18 for their picks at 24 and their second 3rd rounder at 87. That way we can still select 4 players in the first 3 rounds. And still have plenty of picks later down the draft. And, depending on who is still there in the 4th round, or 5th rounds, we maybe can package them for a better selection next year. Like say our 4th for a 2011 3rd ? Or maybe a team that has no 5th rounders in this draft MIGHT offer us a 3rd rounder for our picks at 151 &155 ?


It's all speculation. But it's still fun. Again, very nice job sir, well done.
Saints are a good possibility.....I also considered the Bears who have now picks in rounds 1 & 2 only have 5 picks in rounds 3-7.
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I think my Dream scenario would be this.


Deal 18 to Philly for 24 & 87.


Then deal 4th rounder at 116 and 5th rounder at 155 & 6th rounder at 188 to move up to Detroits very early 4th rounder at 100. The Lions don't have ANY picks in round 5 or 6, so they probably would do this. And, there ALWAYS seems to be that ONE player that slips into round 4. And I for once would like it if we are right up there to perhaps select said player. That way when it is all done with, we will have picks...


1-24)
2-52)
3-82)
3-87)..from Philly
4-100)..from Detroit
5-151)
5-164)..comp
5-166)..comp
7-225
7-242..comp




Five picks in the top-100. And a few more in the later rounds for added Depth for the future.
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I think my Dream scenario would be this.


Deal 18 to Philly for 24 & 87.


Then deal 4th rounder at 116 and 5th rounder at 155 & 6th rounder at 188 to move up to Detroits very early 4th rounder at 100. The Lions don't have ANY picks in round 5 or 6, so they probably would do this. And, there ALWAYS seems to be that ONE player that slips into round 4. And I for once would like it if we are right up there to perhaps select said player. That way when it is all done with, we will have picks...


1-24)
2-52)
3-82)
3-87)..from Philly
4-100)..from Detroit
5-151)
5-164)..comp
5-166)..comp
7-225
7-242..comp




Five picks in the top-100. And a few more in the later rounds for added Depth for the future.
Not bad....and the Eagles want Iupati, so they would HAVE to trade up to get him.
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Really ? The Eagles want him ? Cause I have heard that they are really high on Weatherspoon, or Mcclain.
You have some Inside Info Lambert ?
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Do you think that the 50-100 rankings is about right for a trade?
From the very beginning of this draft season, I think we all (including the talking heads) concluded that this was a very deep draft compared to other years. Not necessarily positional, but overall. I think whatever we can do to get more and/or better picks in rounds 2 and 3 could go all long way for our team.

To answer your question, I believe 50- 100 is a perfect window. That gives us from mid-2nd through the enitire 3rd. I think that's where the biggest portion of the most evenly rated, diversified talent pool lays... and usually does, imo.
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Really ? The Eagles want him ? Cause I have heard that they are really high on Weatherspoon, or Mcclain.
You have some Inside Info Lambert ?
Here is just a couple...

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Offensive line: The biggest issues appear to be at right guard and possibly center. ORG Stacy Andrews might be replaced by Nick Cole, but it's not clear if he's the long-term answer. And C Jamaal Jackson's late-season ACL injury is a concern; Cole might have to move over from guard to replace Jackson if Jackson's not ready for the start of the season. Andy Reid loves to fortify his lines of scrimmage, so it should shock no one if the Eagles beef up this area high in the draft. The great depth that once was here is no more.
http://www.profootballweekly.com/201...ast-team-needs
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New starting QB Kevin Kolb may need a new center as the team doesn't know when Jamaal Jackson can return. The release of OG Shawn Andrews also brings up concerns about the interior offensive line.
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