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Old 04-17-2010, 09:42 AM   #11
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No, I don't think any group of people is worthy to receive forced transfers of wealth (except disabled veterans).

The corporate handouts are bad not only because they're handouts, but also because they're handouts to people who don't truly need them. The corporate welfare dollars are routinely spent on things like vacations to 5-star Hawaii resorts. Think about what offends people most about individual welfare--it's not the people who truly need it, it's the people with fancy cell phones and Escalades whipping out food stamps at the checkout line. I think the same principle applies to corporate welfare.
that , and seeing them whip out $60 for a carton of ciggs after they pay for delmonico's with thier independence card...
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Old 04-17-2010, 11:08 AM   #12
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But Wharton, co-chair of the Socialist Party USA, sees no reason to celebrate.
If your agenda is socialism, and a clear majority vehemently oppose it, are you going to go “Woo-hoo!!” at each incremental advance of your agenda? Your agenda wouldn’t get very far.

Iowa Senator Harkin takes the pragmatic approach. “What we are buying here is a modest home, not a mansion. What we are getting here is a starter home.” http://iowaindependent.com/23933/har...a-starter-home “…we can build additions as we go along in the future. It is a starter home. Think about it in that way,”

Translation: “We have achieved the foundation on which we achieve our goal.” It’s the incremental strategy the donkeys have used for a century. Don’t try to shove the cow down their throats – serve them a steak at a time.

Soshacurity was sold to us on the basis that it was “voluntary”, and before employers had begun withholding from paychecks. Here we are some 70 years later with everybody that actually earns having 8% grabbed from their paychecks for something they’ll never “benefit” from.

“The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened”. “I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democratic Party has adopted our platform”. Norman Thomas – six time Socialist party presidential candidate – 1944.

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He's seen people with bumper stickers and placards that call Obama a socialist, and (Wharton) has a message for them: “Obama isn't a socialist. He's not even a liberal.”
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Why do people keep eluding to Obama being a socialist. He's obviously a commie.
You can tell a tree by its fruit. bho has been surrounded by communists since his “birth”. His “father” was a communist. His “mother” was a communist. His mentors were communists. He entered politics through the “new party”. http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...was_a_new.html Everybody he appoints is either far left or outright communist.

If it quacks like a duck…
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You can tell a tree by its fruit. bho has been surrounded by communists since his “birth”. His “father” was a communist. His “mother” was a communist. His mentors were communists. He entered politics through the “new party”. http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...was_a_new.html Everybody he appoints is either far left or outright communist.

If it quacks like a duck…
If you say so. I'm just eluding to the fact that you, and many others say he's implementing all these socialist policies and then will call him a communist in the same breath. There's a big difference between a socialist and a communist. Call an extremist of one group the other, and they'll most likely want to kill you.
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If you say so. I'm just eluding to the fact that you, and many others say he's implementing all these socialist policies and then will call him a communist in the same breath. There's a big difference between a socialist and a communist. Call an extremist of one group the other, and they'll most likely want to kill you.
Yeah, I'm still waiting for steeltwink or the "teacher" (I forget which) to "explain" all of that to we, the "uninformed".

Those that try to "explain" the "difference" usually go something like this… “socialism is an economic system, while communism is an economic and a political system”. In their minds, that constitutes a “difference”. Even a casual examination of that explanation reveals a continuum. Better stated, “socialism” and “communism” reside on the same continuum. And in the historical context, they are stages on that continuum.

When we speak of “communism”, we generally think of the sovs as “the model”. They were they original commies after which the “others” fashioned themselves to a greater or lesser extent. The “USSR” “was” the union of soviet socialist republics. “Socialist” “was” the operative word.

We tend to think of “communism” as totalitarian, which is correct. Communism resides at the totalitarian end of the socialist continuum, as does nazism and the other total implementations of socialism.

I generally refer to bho as a stalinist because that is the closest description to the arrogant narcissistic communist personality that he is, and folks get all wee weed up when I point out the character “traits” he shares with a certain dead Austrian.

To say “he's implementing all these socialist policies and then will call him a communist in the same breath” is actually a correct use of both terms.
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that , and seeing them whip out $60 for a carton of ciggs after they pay for delmonico's with thier independence card...
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The “USSR” “was” the union of soviet socialist republics. “Socialist” “was” the operative word.
Doesn't mean it was accurate...Red China is officially the People's Republic of China, but it's neither the people's nor a republic. The German Democratic Republic was neither a republic nor a democracy.

Socialism requires equality of outcome...and I'm willing to bet no Party member ever had to wait in line for bread.
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Doesn't mean it was accurate...Red China is officially the People's Republic of China, but it's neither the people's nor a republic. The German Democratic Republic was neither a republic nor a democracy.

Socialism requires equality of outcome...and I'm willing to bet no Party member ever had to wait in line for bread.
Correct on all points.

The sovs, chicomms, sov satellites, and all the rest "were" mafias. They seized their power behind the veneer of socialism and building a "worker's paradise". All these regimes "had" a "nomenclatura" that comprised those that shopped at "different stores".

I use quotation marks here because of the commonly held perception that the sovs "were". The same mafia that seized Russia in 1917 runs Russia today.

Here's a question for the Brain Trust. Who is at the top of the mafia food chain in the US?
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Yeah, I'm still waiting for steeltwink or the "teacher" (I forget which) to "explain" all of that to we, the "uninformed".

Those that try to "explain" the "difference" usually go something like this… “socialism is an economic system, while communism is an economic and a political system”. In their minds, that constitutes a “difference”. Even a casual examination of that explanation reveals a continuum. Better stated, “socialism” and “communism” reside on the same continuum. And in the historical context, they are stages on that continuum.

When we speak of “communism”, we generally think of the sovs as “the model”. They were they original commies after which the “others” fashioned themselves to a greater or lesser extent. The “USSR” “was” the union of soviet socialist republics. “Socialist” “was” the operative word.

We tend to think of “communism” as totalitarian, which is correct. Communism resides at the totalitarian end of the socialist continuum, as does nazism and the other total implementations of socialism.

I generally refer to bho as a stalinist because that is the closest description to the arrogant narcissistic communist personality that he is, and folks get all wee weed up when I point out the character “traits” he shares with a certain dead Austrian.

To say “he's implementing all these socialist policies and then will call him a communist in the same breath” is actually a correct use of both terms.
I get your point, and I know that Socialism is basically nothing but an offshoot of Communism. But their ideals and the way the two systems are run are quite different, as are the people who claim either side as their political affiliation.

Understand that just because two different political parties start in similar places, does not mean they end up there in the long run.

Take the Democratic and Republican parties as an example. The Democratic-Republican Party was founded by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison around 1792. Supporters usually identified themselves as Republicans, but sometimes as Democrats. The term "Democratic Republican" was also used by contemporaries, but mostly by the party's opponents. It was the dominant political party in the United States from 1800 to 1824, when it split into competing factions. Since then, both offshoots have been drifting away from each other on the political spectrum.

Nowadays, if you call a card carrying Republican a Democrat, it's an extreme insult to them, and they have very different ideals as to how they feel the country should be run. This was the point I was eluding to. Going by how the Socialist party and Communist party run their governments, it's impossible for Obama to be both.
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