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Old 04-16-2010, 03:35 PM   #11
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Leftoverhard - I actually agree with most of your statement. Bush in a flight suit...that doesn't bother me that much. IMO, he tried to really be one with the people. I think, in this particular case, he wanted to fit in more with the military. You see it all the time with celebrity types...putting on the uniform when they're around troops (and more often than not, mis-wearing the uniform.)

Arrogance, IMO by Obama was highlighted with the whole flight through/around NYC that set everyone up in a panic. If anyone else had tried a stunt like that...he'd have publically blasted them (working on his ratings...as all politicians do.)
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If we're just talking US presidents, i'm sure we could agree that most of them are naturally pretty arrogant - I think it's gotta be the nature of the beast even thinking you could lead the free world - most of us wouldn't be so bold (you know what I mean when I say "bold").

Obviously no one is going to argue that Polk is the most arrogant because we just don't go back that far - as far as information that actually makes it to the public. Adams was a great man - and a fine example of arrogance. I'm sure there's even more to him that we'll never know - but of course we didn't track his every move like we do now. Plus - no president is going to make an appearance at every disaster, which will always piss someone off - but just think of it, Obama shows up in WV at the mining disaster tragedy - he's going to be called out for his arrogance for overshadowing the lives lost with his controversial appearance on tax day.

When it comes down to it, all presidents are self-driven and politically motivated, this is a fact of life, otherwise they wouldn't get very far in the world of politics. I would never be president - I like people too much to shake their hands as I use them as footstools. But these are the kind of people who we elect. We don't elect homely shy people. We elect type A personalities who come off as uncaring, stupid even. But we should know better - I don't think Bush was stupid at all, or Clinton, or Nixon, or Reagan or Obama. These are all highly intelligent people, driven to success, willing to do whatever it takes to get to the oval office. So, we've got a baseline. Arrogance is a baseline.

That said - I think Bush landing on the USS Abraham Lincoln in a flight suit went way beyond arrogant. You really think that Obama not showing up to the site of this mining tragedy is worse - or anything he's done for that matter?
Why do you think that should be viewed as arrogant?

I think that was huge for the morale of every man and woman in uniform.

I have no opinion on Obama's not showing up at the mine.
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Old 04-16-2010, 04:08 PM   #13
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Why do you think that should be viewed as arrogant?

I think that was huge for the morale of every man and woman in uniform.

I have no opinion on Obama's not showing up at the mine.
I agree. It would be pretty cool for everyone standing on the Flight Deck to see your Commander-in-Chief step out of the aircraft that just landed.

Plus, he IS/was The President at the time. Rank has its privileges and taking a ride out to the troops isn't really abusing the rank.

Obama not showing up doesn't really bother me either. As has been pointed out, he can't go to every disaster.

Pelosi...she's a different story. She DOES abuse her rank's privileges...
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Not to mention, Bush WAS A PILOT.

Just how is it arrogant to put on your old work close and get back in the saddle one more time?

When Bush was first president, his first international crisis was a cold war showdown between a US recon plane and a Chinese fighter. When they came back to the states, Bush did NOT go and see them, because he was NOT going to get in the limelight.

That was class.

In the same way, I actually respect Obama for not rushing to WV for a photo op. However, rushing to judgement is a crock, and shows he is playing nothing but politics with this tragedy on that level.
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He just oozes class, doesn't he.

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He just oozes class, doesn't he.

Thanks Mach. That picture makes me sick.

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Not to mention, Bush WAS A PILOT.

Just how is it arrogant to put on your old work close and get back in the saddle one more time?
Yeah, but Dukakis was really a soldier and he still got mocked for the tank photo op.
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hehehe... you said "BushPILOT"

(its even better coming from a pastor)
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Yeah, but Dukakis was really a soldier and he still got mocked for the tank photo op.
Dukakis looked like a dweeb.



But he doesn't hold a candle to Kerry in a spacesuit.



W looked hot. For an old guy.....
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But he doesn't hold a candle to Kerry in a spacesuit.



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damn... he looks like a charicature of a semen in a cheap 7th grade "sex-ed" video.
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