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Old 04-21-2010, 04:32 PM   #1
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http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/fischer/100420

Jim Wallis wants to violate the 8th and 10th Commandments

By Bryan Fischer

Now that the health care "reform" monstrosity has been enacted into law, Democrats are falling all over themselves to admit that it really at bottom is all about the redistribution of wealth. Sen. Max Baucus says it is designed to correct the "maldistribution" of wealth. Socialist Christian Jim Wallis freely admits that health care is about redistribution, and then bizarrely claims that this is "the heart of the gospel."

Now there is no question that the Judeo-Christian tradition strenuously advocates the redistribution of wealth — as long as that redistribution is voluntary. You can hardly read a page in the gospels or in the epistles that does not encourage or model generosity toward the poor.

However, you will look in vain in the pages of New Testament for a single command to government to look after the poor. Expecting the government to do what God has entrusted to us is the ultimate copout.

The early historian said of the first century church that "there was not a needy person among them," not because Roman confiscated wealth from some to give to others, but because "as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need (Acts 4:34-35)."

Not only does the the Judeo-Christian tradition celebrate voluntary generosity, it categorically condemns the involuntary redistribution of wealth. The voluntary redistribution of wealth is charity. The involuntary redistribution of wealth is theft.

As Frederic Bastiat pointed out more than 150 years ago, when government forcibly extracts resources from some citizens to stick those resources in the pockets of other citizens, it's a form of theft. Just because government does it doesn't make it right. The involuntary transfer of wealth, whether done by a mugger at the point of a gun or by government under the color of law, is theft.

It is a violation of the 8th commandment, "You shall not steal." When government does it, it's nothing more than legalized plunder.

The difference between a statist worldview and a Judeo-Christian worldview can be boiled down to this: liberals believe that generosity is giving away other people's money, while conservatives believe generosity is giving away your own money.

Recent tax returns illustrate this point vividly. Before Barack Obama became president, his annual tax returns revealed that he gave less than one percent of his income to charity. Since he became president, he's raised his percentage to roughly the national average, likely for PR purposes, which means even then he is no more generous than the average conservative he demonizes as greedy and lacking in compassion.

And Joe Biden, according to his most recent return, gave 1.44 percent of his income to charity, well below the national average, which is somewhere between three and six percent. This means that the vice-president is stingier than the average American, and certainly stingier than most of the conservatives who make up the Tea Party movement.

The entire statist movement is predicated, then, on a violation of one of the longest standing moral principles in existence, the Bible's prohibition against stealing.

And if that were not enough, it's also predicated on a blatant violation of the 10th commandment, the one that prohibits the coveting of a neighbor's possessions. God could hardly be any clearer: "You shall not covet...anything that is your neighbor's."

What else is the involuntary transfer of wealth but an envious, class-driven resentment directed against those who are financially successful, accompanied by a lustful greed to take their money and transfer it to others?

American society faces a choice. Jim Wallis wants us to build social policy on violations of both the eighth and 10th commandments. Conservatives want us to build social policy on Jesus' words to love our neighbors as ourselves. I'm with Jesus on this one.

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Old 04-21-2010, 07:19 PM   #2
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excellent post....bonus points for you.
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Come on, everyone knows Jesus would have loved the individual mandate.
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Now there is no question that the Judeo-Christian tradition strenuously advocates the redistribution of wealth — as long as that redistribution is voluntary. You can hardly read a page in the gospels or in the epistles that does not encourage or model generosity toward the poor.
Much of Christianity, if not all, is reciprocity. "Do unto others, to whom much is given, give and it shall be given, you shall reap what you sow, if you / I will, etc, etc, etc...".

Freedom itself is a reciprocal relationship. We are free to do as we ought to do. And included in what we ought to do is caring for those we are aware of in whatever measure we are able.

But these reciprocal relationships are of God, not gubmint. When gubmint seeks to redistribute wealth, it robs us not only of our wealth, but also our freedom to do as we ought, and that is the essence of who we are - our own free will.

Excellent post Newman!! Thank you.
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I distinctly remember something about rendering unto Caesar what is Caesar's. How then is paying taxes theft? And if the government is using taxes to redistribute wealth to the poor, how is that un-Christian?

Now, if you don't mind, I'll slip back into standard ricardisimo mode, and remind everyone that there is not a single redistributionist bone in Obama's body, nor in any elected Democrat or Republican's body, and that I agree with those Christians who say that socialism is un-Christian. They are completely right. Christianity is about personal salvation, and narcissistic tendencies of mythic proportions, with an all-knowing and all-powerful deity who devotes His every waking moment to the cultivation of your eternal soul. As Nietzsche put it:
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That today's Christian loathes socialism is almost in and of itself enough reason for me to embrace it.
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yeah, we got it that you hate and despise Christianity. weve gotten that from a majority of your posts. im sure you probably hate puppies and salamanders too. you dont have to inflict it on almost every post on almost every subject. again...................we got it.
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yeah, we got it that you hate and despise Christianity. weve gotten that from a majority of your posts. im sure you probably hate puppies and salamanders too. you dont have to inflict it on almost every post on almost every subject. again...................we got it.
You had to bring up salamanders, didn't you? That settles it... It's on now!

As far as inflicting everyone with my opinions on Christianity in every thread, umm... well, please read the thread subject line as well as every post before mine.
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oh, i read everything, as i usually do, so that i get a full view of the conversation. it has nothing to do with the issue of you bringing up Christianity, that was part of the OP. its just how you feel a need to give us your opinion of said religion, in this post, and many others. you could discuss the OP and the other parts of the discussion without giving your disdain for Christianity, among other religions. i was just saying, that most of us know your feelings. im not a big fan of other certain religions, but i dont feel a need on displaying my disdain for those religions in most posts, if any. but, thats my opinion. as for the salamander issue, i had a feeling, but if it makes a good offer of penance, i dont like them either. i have a good story about how i used one to get my troops to get back to work once. but i wont inflict anyone with that......yet.
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[QUOTE=ricardisimo;807282]I distinctly remember something about rendering unto Caesar what is Caesar's. How then is paying taxes theft? And if the government is using taxes to redistribute wealth to the poor, how is that un-Christian?
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Where did Jesus say we should be forced to turn over massive amounts of money to the rich, as the individual mandate forces us to do? Aetna is not Caesar.
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Where did Jesus say we should be forced to turn over massive amounts of money to the rich, as the individual mandate forces us to do? Aetna is not Caesar.
You might want to ask Pat Robertson and Co. that question. I'm sure he'll give you a very interesting account of how Aetna fits into the Lord's plan. But your question hits on exactly what I was trying to point out: there's nothing "socialist" about Obamacare, regardless of how Jesus feels about it. It is "redistributionist" only if you include redistributing money upwards.
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