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Old 04-28-2010, 04:04 AM   #1
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Default Are Tea Partiers Racist ??

A new study shows that the movement's supporters are more likely to be racially resentful.

Ever since the Tea Party phenomenon gathered steam last spring, it has been plagued by charges of racism. Placards at rallies have depicted President Barack Obama as a witch doctor, denounced his supposed plans for "white slavery," and likened Congress to a slave owner and the taxpayer to a "n----r." Opponents have seized on these examples as proof that Tea Partiers are angry white folks who can't abide having a black president. Supporters, on the other hand, claim that the hateful signs are the work of a small fringe and that they unfairly malign a movement that simply seeks to rein in big government. In the absence of empirical evidence to support either characterization, the debate has essentially deadlocked.

Until now, that is. A new survey by the University of Washington Institute for the Study of Ethnicity, Race & Sexuality offers fresh insight into the racial attitudes of Tea Party sympathizers. "The data suggests that people who are Tea Party supporters have a higher probability"—25 percent, to be exact—"of being racially resentful than those who are not Tea Party supporters," says Christopher Parker, who directed the study. "The Tea Party is not just about politics and size of government. The data suggests it may also be about race."

Surveyers asked respondents in California and a half dozen battleground states (like Michigan and Ohio) a series of questions that political scientists typically use to measure racial hostility. On each one, Tea Party backers expressed more resentment than the rest of the population, even when controlling for partisanship and ideology. When read the statement that "if blacks would only try harder, they could be just as well off as whites," 73 percent of the movement's supporters agreed, while only 33 percent of people who disapproved of the Tea Party agreed. Asked if blacks should work their way up "without special favors," as the Irish, Italians, and other groups did, 88 percent of supporters agreed, compared to 56 percent of opponents. The study revealed that Tea Party enthusiasts were also more likely to have negative opinions of Latinos and immigrants.


These results are bolstered by a recent New York Times/CBS News surveyfinding that white Tea Party supporters were more likely to believe that "the Obama administration favors blacks over whites" and that "too much has been made of the problems facing black people." The survey also showed that Tea Party sympathizers are whiter, older, wealthier, and more well-educated than the average American. They're "just as likely to be employed, and more likely to describe their economic situation as very or fairly good," according to a summary of the poll.

If Tea Party supporters are doing relatively fine, what are they so riled up about?
These studies suggest that, at least in part, it's race. The country that the Tea Partiers grew up in is irrevocably changing. Last month, new demographic data showed that minority births are on the verge of outpacing white births. By 2050, Hispanics are expected to account for more than a quarter of the American population. The Tea Partiers "feel a loss … like their status has been diminished," says David Bositis of the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies, which examines issues of race. "If you listen to [their] language, it's always about 'taking our country back.' But it's really not taking the country back as is. It's taking the country back"—as in time.

Bositis finds the movement's arguments about reckless federal spending unpersuasive. Why, he asks, weren't they up in arms when President George W. Bush launched two costly wars and created a new unfunded mandate with his Medicare prescription-drug plan? Why didn't they take to the streets when he converted a surplus into a massive deficit? "I don't like to be in a position where I'm characterizing people as being racially biased," says Bositis. "But when the shoe fits, what do you do?" Given modern societal norms, "they know they can't use any overtly racist language," he contends. "So they use coded language"—questioning the patriotism of the president or complaining about "socialist" schemes to redistribute wealth.

The Tea Partiers bridle at such accusations. "That is so pathetic," says Danita Kilcullen, the founder of Tea Party Fort Lauderdale. "Nobody in the Tea Party movement that I know is a racist." She notes that she attends a church with a black pastor, supports a black candidate (Allen West) in a local congressional race, and backs a Latino candidate (Marco Rubio) for U.S. Senate. When a protestor showed up at one of her group's rallies with a racist sign, she says, she personally kicked him off the corner. "We absolutely don't tolerate anything like that," says Kilcullen. "Nobody uses the N word. Nobody calls Mexicans all those ugly things that people say. Those are lies about us." She concedes that the movement doesn't draw many African-Americans. "But that's because all the black people voted for Obama," she says. "Well, not all—but 90 percent." (It was actually 95 percent.)

Some Tea Partiers blame the media for casting them as racists. "It really makes me mad," says Tom Fitzhugh, a Tea party activist in Tampa. "They have tried to portray us as a bunch of radical extremists." He considers Obama an abomination—possibly "the most radical-voting senator that ever was" and someone likely to "take us down the path of destruction." He believes the administration is intent on taking away his guns, trampling on states' rights, and opening the borders with Canada and Mexico. He has serious doubts that Obama was born in the U.S. and suspects that the president is a closet Muslim. (There's no evidence to support any of these accusations.) But his anger has nothing to do with race, he says. The real issue is that Obama is "taking down the Constitution and the way it's governed us for [hundreds of] years." All he wants, in other words, is to take his country back.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/236996

I see things are slowly starting to heat up... lol... its gonna be another "hot, hot, hot " election by the time November hits... lol...
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Old 04-28-2010, 07:10 AM   #2
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What a load of shit. I'm not a tp'er, but those questions were slanted and ridiculous and prove nothing.

Fact is everyone is racist to a point. It's in our DNA, and blacks, latino's and asians are just as guilty as us whitey's.

Now let's look at these two loaded questions the article provided as "proof" that tp'ers are racist..

1. if blacks would only try harder, they could be just as well off as whites," 73 percent of the movement's supporters agreed, while only 33 percent of people who disapproved of the Tea Party agreed. Asked if blacks should work their way up "without special favors," as the Irish, Italians, and other groups did, 88 percent of supporters agreed, compared to 56 percent of opponents.

Look at the honor rolls of any major university, notice the disproportinate number of Asians that are recognized for their academic prowess. So do I think Asains are racially superior to all other people? No I don't. What I know is that Asian cultural demands a greater appreciation and respect for academic learning than other culturals. There's is a cultural that doesn't easily tolerate excuse making, therefore they can overcome the hurdles of race and in some instances even language and shoot to the top of their class.

The overwhelming theme I get from black cultural is that they're far too quick to adopt a victim mentality. When things go wrong it's not junior's fault it's society's fault. To some extent it may even be true, but when you continually send out the message that your shortcomings aren't of your own doing, you're also sending out the message that you don't possess control of your fate, and therefore you wont instill the will to take control of a situation.

It's the Jesse Jackson versus Bill Cosby argument if you will. With Jesse, black folks are always whitey's victims. You fail, why wouldn't you? The system is stacked against you, so it' pointless to try and overcome it from within. Better to change the rules to be more accomadating than to learn how to play the game the right way.

With Bill Cosby, the message of predetermined failure is rejected. If you find a hurdle placed before you jump it,or try to find another way around it. And if in time you prove to be incapable of overcoming it you can at least start to map out a path for those that follow you and prepare them to do what you weren't able to.

Personally I like Mr. Cosby's message a lot better than Jesse the enabler's. If that makes me a racist, so be it.

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This is so bogus they did not interview the entire tea party. Why are they asking these questions anyhow the tea party movement has not protested anything having to do with race. Also there are African american tea party supporters. They are really reaching here.
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Rather than comment on this "piece", I'll address the notion that "tea partiers" are "racist".

I haven't been to a "tea party" but I know lots that have. I have observed "media" coverage of "tea party" events, seen interviews of "tea partiers". and have read commentary on same from "both sides". This is my personal observation, and I'm "entitled" to it.

If there is any generalization to be made about the "tea party" it is that they are taxpayers. That's the common thread. They are comprised of all demographics, albeit somewhat "older" and accomplished, and come from all points on the political spectrum except the hard left. If it is necessary to stereotype, then they are the "productive".

Their issue is with Washington, its entrenched power structure, their apparati (bureaucracies), gubmint waste, and the general disdain Washington has for the tax payer. That's it. Nothing more.

The left, because there is nothing to leftism but hollow rhetoric and simplistic slogans (that team isn't up to anything more "complex"), doesn't have a counter to "Washington is out of control and is ruining the Republic", so they retreat to what they know - hiding behind a "victim". Because they believe that they have "established" that disagreement with bho, and by extension the federalies, is "racist", that is their visceral position to the "tea party". Their position is as simple as the "tea party's" - "we are entitled so STFU and pay". And one would expect such a vacuous and selfish position from the "unproductive".

Now, if it is "fair" to say that the "tea party", because they are the productive and pay taxes, are "racist", then it follows that the "unproductive", because they are dependent on the largess that descends from the "tea partiers's" production, must be equally racist, as that is the only "divide" between the two "camps". In the abstract, that is ridiculous.

But if you examine the contrast in the rhetoric coming from both camps, again, the "tea partiers" have their issues with Washington and the unproductive have their issues with the "tea party". Put another way, one side takes issue with institution, the other with a group of people. At that point, it is "fair" to say one side has a prejudice, and while it can't be racist in nature, it is bigotry, never the less.

To me, that's equally absurd, but following the "logic" of the left, it is the only conclusion. IMHO, the divide is as simple as one side has "it", and "it" is extracted from them. The other side has been conditioned to expect that "it" will be forthcoming on the basis of their "entitlement". And the other side gets testy when the "productive" get restless.
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This is the ongoing subject of a debate I have going on with my liberal DC lawyer buddy who insists on marginalizing the "tea baggers" and basically deriding the the entire movement daily with incessant ad homs attacks.

Are there some small pockets of racism in the tea party? Absolutely. But to attempt to extrapolate tiny numbers up in order to paint the entire movement as racist is patently ridiculous. This attempt by the pop press to ridicule and discredit the movement will backfire just as badly as the original liberal attack tactic of portraying them all as mouth-breathing inbred backwards-assed retards. The demographic information emerging shows the party to be filled with very educated affluent citizens.

Unfortunately, he is part of a cadre of people who have an overwhelmingly large influence on the "news" and how it's reported in the country. So you can expect that if there are 500 tea party demonstrations and 99.5% of the people involved in them are quiet, respectful, peaceful, nonviolent and non-racist, you will see NOTHING of that reported, but the .5% that fits the pre-determined (and WRONG) biased notions of the liberal left media outlets will get all the pub.
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The opposition has absolutely lost the right to paint the tea partiers as "racist" or "uneducated" when it has been verified that the liberals are planting themselves in the crowds and misrepresenting themselves as tea partiers who are....racist and uneducated.
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Are there some small pockets of racism in the tea party? Absolutely.
That statement is only valid against the backdrop that there are "small pockets of racism" in every demographic across the whole population. There is no evidence whatsoever to validate the existence of a single "racist" among the "tea party" and I defy anyone to prove otherwise. The whole argument is specious at best.

It is the only "argument" the left can present because the tea party isn't a demographic. It is a group of tax payers that they don't have a case against. So they fall back to what they imagine is their "silver bullet" - "racism". If you don't give them their "racism" toehold, they fold.

By giving them "racism", they have successfully changed the "tea party" issue from taxes to race. That, of course, is their strategery.

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The opposition has absolutely lost the right to paint the tea partiers as "racist" or "uneducated"...
They didn't have the "right" to begin with. Its their attempt to change the argument.
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They didn't have the "right" to begin with. Its their attempt to change the argument.
Agreed....but what I meant by that is....even the left has to now admit that any examples of racist or uneducated behavior coming from the movement is now suspect as to being "planted".

Their own willingness participate in deceitful practices, will make any bad examples appear questionable.
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Their own willingness to participate in deceitful practices, will make any bad examples appear questionable.
"Willingness"? You're very charitable LLT.

The left is deceit. Every position they occupy is deceit. There isn't a single issue that the left is correct about and the only way they can even get into the argument is by deceit.

They are a mafia devoted to seizing and consolidating their own power. That is their only position. The veneer of "causes" is only to serve that end.
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"Willingness"? You're very charitable LLT.

The left is deceit. Every position they occupy is deceit. There isn't a single issue that the left is correct about and the only way they can even get into the argument is by deceit.

They are a mafia devoted to seizing and consolidating their own power. That is their only position. The veneer of "causes" is only to serve that end.
Seriously...you have GOT to quit beating around the bush. This habitual holding back of your thoughts is going to cause an ulcer. Please...just tell us how you feel.
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