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Old 02-07-2006, 05:11 PM   #21
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Can you folks really tell me, especially after your Colts game and the SB, that there is nothing wrong with the state of officiating in the NFL?

If so, why haven't we ever seen out cries from around the country about this before?

It is certainly not just Seattle complaining....it is sport writers from all around the country...and we all know they are not all Seahawks fans.

I really wish, as NFL fans, you folks would support a referee over haul in the NFL. And realize how lop sided the calls were in the SB....just like they were in your Colts game. You saw it then, do you still see it from this last Sunday, or has the win clouded your judgment?

Yes, nothing will take your newest Lombardi trophy from Pittsburgh. Your team played won that game?.it?s over with. But, just as the calls were going unfairly against your team with the Colts, the same thing happened to the Seahawks in the Super Bowl. Yes, your team did enough to over compensate the piss poor officiating in the Colts game, and we did not in the Super Bowl?but none of that matters.

All that matters is in future years, the only thing to determine the outcome of a game, is the two teams playing the game.
For all the fun I poked outta ya through the last two weeks, ZornToLargent, I am fully backing you on this one. You said it perfectly. The officials made themselves too much of a part of the game. The job they did was less than mediocre, and extremely frustrating knowing the moment I've been waiting for for longer than I can remember is tainted in the first few days after it happened - which are supposed to be the best times of it all. I even said on this site many times, I really just hope the game is played out like men, and it is not decided by the officials or the kickers. And I guess we'll never know what might have happened.

Hey, props on a good season, though, man. I'm not saying Seattle would have won, but I am saying the officials were not fully there. Just do us a favor and tell Seattle to stop the martyr BS. It went both ways. As much as I question the validity of that hold, I question Jerramy Stevens' "incomplete" pass drop. Shouldn't have been holding, should have been a fumble.
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Old 02-07-2006, 05:18 PM   #22
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the only problem with full time refs is that the nfl would then be paying the same guys full salaries and for 5 days a week to make the same type of subjective judgement mistakes made on sunday.

how would a full time ref be able to judge if bens td run touched the line any better than a part timer???????

Ben's touchdown run was one of those plays where the validity of it is going to be judged SOLELY by the referee. There is NO ONE ON EARTH who can say "that was a terrible call." There isn't even close to enough evidence to support such a claim. And if you think you can, you're biased one way or another. You can't see the ball on the replay, and the official sure as hell wasn't going to be able to see it live. He has to make a call, and he did. The video wasn't going to help there. I, for one, would not have been nearly up-in-arms about that call had it not gone in favor of Pittsburgh for the exact same reasons I mentioned here; NO ONE could make a definitive call. But a call has to be made.

I realize that isn't your point in posting, but I wanted to mention it. It's interesting you choose the word "subjectivity." Don't you think the quality of the officiating would concurrently improve given the officials have nothing else to do but study and practice? You don't see the offensive line of Seattle going to get jobs this off season. They are concentrating on the ones they have, and figuring out how they can improve this off season. I don't see why it should be any different for the officials.
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Old 02-07-2006, 05:18 PM   #23
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Yes,the officiating does need an overhaul.They need to make the refs full-time and fine them for thier dumbass bad calls.

But,I think they did the right thing with the Roethlisberger TD (I do think the tip of the ball crossed the GL before Ben got knocked back) by making the TD call and then reviewing it.

But the officiating didn't screw you over.Your reciever should have never locked his elbow,that's what made the ref throw the flag.Nine times out of ten,when the elbow gets locked,it's gonna be called OPI.And to do it right in front of the official was really stupid.

There were missed calls when it came to the Steelers to.The block on Big Ben on the INT return was never called,and should have been.That let you guys score your lone TD.The holding on Haggans was obvious,so don't give me shit on that.You guys were holding Haggans and Smith all night because your o-line couldn't handle the pressure those two were bringing.

Also,it's not the ref's fault your recievers can't get thier feet down in bounds.

It's not the officials fault that Holmgren can't manage the clock to save his life.

It's not the officials fault that Hasselbeck can't figure out zone coverage and threw an easy pick to Ike Taylor.
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Old 02-07-2006, 05:20 PM   #24
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the only problem with full time refs is that the nfl would then be paying the same guys full salaries and for 5 days a week to make the same type of subjective judgement mistakes made on sunday.

how would a full time ref be able to judge if bens td run touched the line any better than a part timer???????
They could, oh I don't know.....BONE UP on their officiating skills throughout the week instead of only thinking about football once a week. You can't tell me the NFL can't afford full time refs.
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Old 02-07-2006, 05:22 PM   #25
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this will be the 90th time i say this, GREAT TEAMS OVERCOME BAD OFFICIATING, the steelers did it, if the seahawks were that much better why couldn't they? i'll tell you why, IT'S BECAUSE THEY AIN'T BETTER
Not the point. Thanks, Koopa, but that is not the point of this thread.
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Old 02-07-2006, 05:23 PM   #26
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the cost of that would just be passed onto the fan. if it meant a pay per view superbowl or higher ticket prices who would be for it then?
You can't tell me that the NFL can't afford to do this. I don't buy that.
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Old 02-07-2006, 05:24 PM   #27
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Yes,the officiating does need an overhaul.They need to make the refs full-time and fine them for thier dumbass bad calls.

But,I think they did the right thing with the Roethlisberger TD (I do think the tip of the ball crossed the GL before Ben got knocked back) by making the TD call and then reviewing it.

But the officiating didn't screw you over.Your reciever should have never locked his elbow,that's what made the ref throw the flag.Nine times out of ten,when the elbow gets locked,it's gonna be called OPI.And to do it right in front of the official was really stupid.

There were missed calls when it came to the Steelers to.The block on Big Ben on the INT return was never called,and should have been.That let you guys score your lone TD.The holding on Haggans was obvious,so don't give me shit on that.You guys were holding Haggans and Smith all night because your o-line couldn't handle the pressure those two were bringing.

Also,it's not the ref's fault your recievers can't get thier feet down in bounds.

It's not the officials fault that Holmgren can't manage the clock to save his life.

It's not the officials fault that Hasselbeck can't figure out zone coverage and threw an easy pick to Ike Taylor.
I agree. If Jackson does the SAME THING in the corner of the end zone, where he wouldn't be directly in front of the back judge, it probably doesn't get called. John Madden wasn't that close. You weren't that close, I wasn't that close. There was no one on earth closer to that play than the official. It's REALLY hard not to call it if you see his elbow lock from a yard and a half away.
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So, according to you, we all should just sit idly back and watch as the sport we all hold in such high regard, gets trampled and squashed by part time refs? Is that really what you are saying? You know, if nobody brings it up until next years playoffs, then nothing will ever get changed and the state of officiating in the NFL will just continue to deteriorate.
Read a bit dude! I don`t think I said anything like that and I know I don`t put words in peoples mouths like you just did. I said give it a rest here. There are already enough bitch threads on this subject and taking your fight here will do no good. So save your sarcastic remarks and learn how to read a post and don`t try to tell me what I said or what I meant.
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Most of your players may not have complained much about it, but your head coach was glad to play that card. These people who bitch and moan about the officiating are the same individuals who told Pittsburgh and their fans to shut up after the Colts game when they opened their mouthes about the officiating.
I certainly was not one of those people. I, along with the rest of the country also thought the officiating was piss poor in that game too. Win or lose is not the issue....it's having more qualified refs on the field.
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These people can yap all they want as far as I am concerned. It just ruins the image of how the Seahawks are taking a loss.....
How is this any different on how Porter responded about the Colt game?

Piss poor officiating is piss poor officiating.....all NFL teams should want this changed, and complaining about it is not the problem....the officials in place are the problem.
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