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Old 02-21-2006, 02:06 AM   #1
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http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06052/658585.stm interesting read esp. the part about staley.
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Old 02-21-2006, 06:49 AM   #2
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Default Re: the bus shares his thoughts ont the steelers

although a lot of that contradicts what we've heard about the Steelers' feelings regarding Hope, I don't doubt anything of what he said. but then again, he may not be telling everything in regards to the free agents, or he just might not know what's going to happen. but I'm excited to see Bussy on TV this fall and hear his opinions!
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Interesting read. Thanks for the post.
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Old 02-21-2006, 09:02 AM   #4
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Kinda sounded like he was letting out secrets that were supposed to remain in the locker room.
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I thought Staley was handled the situation great last year, but man, that really makes me like the guy even more hearing that!
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Thats a very interesting article.

Jerome has basically said that Hope has priced himelf out of staying with the Steelers - otherwise his comments contradict each other.

The Steelers need to get younger on both lines - no real shock headlines there.

He seems to think the same as the majority on this board regarding Randle El - his punt returns and gadget play have increased his market value - but the Steelers will be unwilling to pay the extra for a No.3 receiver.

On the subject of Staley volunteering to stay behind Bettis in the depth chart - I have to say its a load of nonsense.

Why would a RB with alot to prove to his fanbase voluntarily stay behind a RB who has no future as a player?

Would the coach even listen?

If Cowher thought that Staley was a better bet to help him win a ring - surely he would have played him?

All that appears to be is an attempt to get Steeler fans back on the side of Staley, which is probably good thinking by Bettis.

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On the subject of Staley volunteering to stay behind Bettis in the depth chart - I have to say its a load of nonsense.

Why would a RB with alot to prove to his fanbase voluntarily stay behind a RB who has no future as a player?

Would the coach even listen?

If Cowher thought that Staley was a better bet to help him win a ring - surely he would have played him?

All that appears to be is an attempt to get Steeler fans back on the side of Staley, which is probably good thinking by Bettis.

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Bettis said that Staley went to coach Bill Cowher during the season, after he was fully recovered from his knee surgery, and told him he was 100 percent but "if there is a question of who plays, I want Jerome to play because he's in his last year."

Bettis called Staley's action "a very, very unselfish approach."

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i dont think this is nonsense at all. as we saw in 2004 staley and bettis were virtually interchangeable. both had 100 yd games almost every time they started. when duce went down bettis stepped in without any drop off or difference. cowher has stated in the past the difficult decision between staley and bettis because they are so equal. he has also hinted in his press conferences the sacrifices staley had made and how he was such a team player. i think cowher was refering to staley handing the ball to jerome so to speak. maybe cowher had already decided to play jerome, but the act of selflessness on staleys part was not unrecognized. i think staley proved alot to his fanbase by voluntarily staying behind jerome. (even if the decision was already made)

willie parker pretty much did the same thing before the sb. he told cowher he would understand and have no problems if the coach wanted to start and feature bettis. in this case the coach did not listen. he did what he thought was best for the team to win and that was use parker the 1st 3 series and then put in bettis for the 4th. pretty much the same formula they had used all along.

i think cowher is definitely a players coach in the truest sense. maybe to a fault sometimes. it seems he really listens to the veterans and gives them the leeway to make certain decisions themselves. he left it up to hines to play or miss the game he was injured this year. hines made the right decision and sat out. he let tommy start when he miraculously healed after bens injury in san diego. tommy obviously made the wrong decision in assessing his own health and preparedness to play. however when ben wanted to play cowher stepped in and said no.

it does seem to me though that staley feels pretty secure about remaining a steeler after this year.
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Bettis said that Staley went to coach Bill Cowher during the season, after he was fully recovered from his knee surgery, and told him he was 100 percent but "if there is a question of who plays, I want Jerome to play because he's in his last year."

Bettis called Staley's action "a very, very unselfish approach."

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i dont think this is nonsense at all. as we saw in 2004 staley and bettis were virtually interchangeable. both had 100 yd games almost every time they started. when duce went down bettis stepped in without any drop off or difference. cowher has stated in the past the difficult decision between staley and bettis because they are so equal. he has also hinted in his press conferences the sacrifices staley had made and how he was such a team player. i think cowher was refering to staley handing the ball to jerome so to speak. maybe cowher had already decided to play jerome, but the act of selflessness on staleys part was not unrecognized. i think staley proved alot to his fanbase by voluntarily staying behind jerome. (even if the decision was already made)

willie parker pretty much did the same thing before the sb. he told cowher he would understand and have no problems if the coach wanted to start and feature bettis. in this case the coach did not listen. he did what he thought was best for the team to win and that was use parker the 1st 3 series and then put in bettis for the 4th. pretty much the same formula they had used all along.

i think cowher is definitely a players coach in the truest sense. maybe to a fault sometimes. it seems he really listens to the veterans and gives them the leeway to make certain decisions themselves. he left it up to hines to play or miss the game he was injured this year. hines made the right decision and sat out. he let tommy start when he miraculously healed after bens injury in san diego. tommy obviously made the wrong decision in assessing his own health and preparedness to play. however when ben wanted to play cowher stepped in and said no.

it does seem to me though that staley feels pretty secure about remaining a steeler after this year.
I dont think that 2004 has any relevance to this discussion unless you are saying that Bettis and Staley would be 'virtually interchangeable' in 2005 also?

In 2005 Bettis was only really used to run the ball in from a yard out, run the game clock down and other short yardage situations - are you saying that this is all Staley could have brought to the table aswell?

Did Cowher state this year that Bettis and Staley were virtually interchangeable?

I fully understand Cowher taking a players word on how injured/non-injured they are.

But what I dont understand is a fully healthy player passing up the chance of going to the Superbowl - that could well have been his last opportunity to participate in one!

So - the way I see it there are a number of scenarios and only one of them is the truth.

1. Cowher wanted Staley to back up Willie P, but Staley willingly passed up the chance to play in a SB so Bettis could have his final hurrah. Which basically means that Staley and Cowher deprived the Steelers of their best possible running combo.

2. Staley was never in with a realistic chance of playing in the SB - he wasn't healthy enough - and his 'offer' to step down was completely redundant.

3. A player you have spent quite alot of money on, Duce Staley, when healthy - is just as effective as a RB in the last year of a long, long career.
Bear in mind Bettis only ran for 368 yards on 110 carries - it would worry me if Staley was no better than this.

Who knows what the answer is?

All I can say - if the answer is No.3 then maybe the Steelers should be retiring TWO running backs this year and not one.

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I regarded the Bettis interview to be his last effort as, teammate emeritus, to urge all FAs be signed by the Steelers.

"I look at the defensive line, and it is sorely in need of a young defensive end that can help them in that department." (meaning sign Brett Keisel)

"Then you look at (free agent free safety) Chris Hope, you possibly think maybe you could stand to lose Chris Hope because of the dollars he's going to command. But that's an area of concern, because you don't have a viable backup for him." My emphasis on the maybe is to suggest Bettis is clearly saying the Steelers cannot stand to lose Hope, so sign Hope

I agree with LITP that the story about Duce stepping back to take one for Jerome this season is a fairy tale. Cowher wants to win - if Staley could advance that goal then Staley would have played. Bettis and Haynes filled roles Staley could not fill, so Staley was deactivated. But Staley was loyal to the Bus, so sign Staley.

In closing, apparently nobody should not come back next season based on the statement that "at the key areas, I don't believe they have the depth to lose anybody." So sign Randel-El.

In the era of the salary cap, who does have depth? Teams change all the time through the draft and signing FAs. That is how the system is designed to work and it is a system in which the Steelers have thrived.

Jerome's testimonials to his former mates are sincere and to be applauded. But they should not be regarded as hard hitting journalism.
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what i am saying is staley lost his starting job to w. parker. not the bus. staley can be just as an effective goaline/ short yardage back as the bus now that he is retired. (atleast i hope). had jerome gotten injured late in the season i think staley couldve effectively put up the same numbers jerome did, while willie carried the load.
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