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Old 08-27-2010, 12:35 AM   #1
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And what better way to kick it off than with a humorous and well-reasoned critique? And quite honestly, could this cartoon have been any more apropos (and I'm not just talking about the mosque debate)?
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Shariah for Dummies

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By Nonie Darwish
2010


Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf claims that the U.S. Constitution is Shariah compliant. Let us examine below a few laws of Shariah to see if Imam Rauf is truthful or a fraud:

Jihad, defined as "to war against non-Muslims to establish the religion," is the duty of every Muslim and Muslim head of state (caliph). Muslim caliphs who refuse jihad are in violation of Shariah and unfit to rule.


A caliph can hold office through seizure of power, meaning through force.


A caliph is exempt from being charged with serious crimes such as murder, adultery, robbery, theft, drinking and in some cases of rape.


A percentage of Zakat (charity money) must go toward jihad.


It is obligatory to obey the commands of the Caliph, even if he is unjust.


A caliph must be a Muslim, a non-slave and a male.


The Muslim public must remove the caliph if he rejects Islam.


A Muslim who leaves Islam must be killed immediately.


A Muslim will be forgiven for murder of: 1) an apostate, 2) an adulterer, and 3) a highway robber – making vigilante street justice and honor killing acceptable.


A Muslim will not get the death penalty if he kills a non-Muslim but will get it for killing a Muslim.
What would the world look like under Shariah law? Find out in Nonie Darwish's "Cruel and Usual Punishment: The Terrifying Global Implications of Islamic Law"

Shariah never abolished slavery or sexual slavery and highly regulates it. A master will not be punished for killing his slave.


Shariah dictates death by stoning, beheading, amputation of limbs, flogging – even for crimes of sin such as adultery.


Non-Muslims are not equal to Muslims under the law. They must comply with Islamic law if they are to remain safe. They are forbidden to marry Muslim women, publicly display wine or pork, recite their Scriptures or openly celebrate their religious holidays or funerals. They are forbidden from building new churches or building them higher than mosques. They may not enter a mosque without permission. A non-Muslim is no longer protected if he leads a Muslim away from Islam.


It is a crime for a non-Muslim to sell weapons to someone who will use them against Muslims. Non-Muslims cannot curse a Muslim, say anything derogatory about Allah, the Prophet, or Islam, or expose the weak points of Muslims. But the same does not apply to Muslims.


A non-Muslim cannot inherit from a Muslim.


Banks must be Shariah compliant, and interest is not allowed.


No testimony in court is acceptable from people of low-level jobs, such as street sweepers or bathhouse attendants. Women in low-level jobs such as professional funeral mourners cannot keep custody of their children in case of divorce.


A non-Muslim cannot rule even over a non-Muslim minority.


Homosexuality is punishable by death.


There is no age limit for marriage of girls. The marriage contract can take place any time after birth and consummated at age 8 or 9.


Rebelliousness on the part of the wife nullifies the husband's obligation to support her, and gives him permission to beat her and keep her from leaving the home.


Divorce is only in the hands of the husband and is as easy as saying, "I divorce you," and becomes effective even if the husband did not intend it.


There is no community property between husband and wife, and the husband's property does not automatically go to the wife after his death.


A woman inherits half what a man inherits.


A man has the right to have up to four wives, and she has no right to divorce him even if he is polygamous.


The dowry is given in exchange for the woman's sexual organs.


A man is allowed to have sex with slave women and women captured in battle, and if the enslaved woman is married, her marriage is annulled.


The testimony of a woman in court is half the value of a man.


A woman loses custody if she remarries.


To prove rape, a woman must have four male witnesses.

A rapist may only be required to pay the bride-money (dowry) without marrying the rape victim.


A Muslim woman must cover every inch of her body, which is considered "Awrah," a sexual organ. Not all Shariah schools allow the face of a woman exposed.


A Muslim man is forgiven if he kills his wife at the time he caught her in the act of adultery. However, the opposite is not true for women since he "could be married to the woman he was caught with."
The above are clear-cut laws in Islam decided by great imams after years of examination and interpretation of the Quran, Hadith and Muhammad's life. Now let the learned Imam Rauf tell us what part of the above is compliant with the U.S. Constitution
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i can't believe ANY woman would freely engage in a religion that makes them subhuman.
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All fricken Muslims and all fricken liberals must fricken hang!

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Wow...where to start....

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Shariah for Dummies

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By Nonie Darwish
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Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf claims that the U.S. Constitution is Shariah compliant. Let us examine below a few laws of Shariah to see if Imam Rauf is truthful or a fraud:

Jihad, defined as "to war against non-Muslims to establish the religion," is the duty of every Muslim and Muslim head of state (caliph). Muslim caliphs who refuse jihad are in violation of Shariah and unfit to rule.
Right off the bat, Nonie is mistaken here. There are a few different definitions of jihad (which actually translates into "struggle"). It can mean an internal struggle to maintain faith, the struggle to improve the Muslim society, or the struggle in a holy war. For instance, Mahatma Gandhi's satyagraha struggle for Indian independence is called a "jihad" in Modern Standard Arabic (as well as many other dialects of Arabic)... the terminology is also applied to the fight for women's liberation.

In Lebanon, Kuwait, Jordan, and Morocco, the majority used the term to mean "duty toward God", a "divine duty", or a "worship of God", with no militaristic connotations. Other responses referenced, in descending order of prevalence:
"A commitment to hard work" and "achieving one's goals in life"
"Struggling to achieve a noble cause"
"Promoting peace, harmony or cooperation, and assisting others"
"Living the principles of Islam"


Many of the other laws you listed may have been prevalent under pre-modern Islamic society, but they are not the norm anymore.

Most would have you believe that every Muslim country is ruled by Sharia law and Sharia law alone, and this is not the case. This is not even the case in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Sharia in the secular Muslim states: Muslim countries such as Mali, Kazakhstan and Turkey (which is under pressure from religious political parties) have declared themselves to be secular. Here, religious interference in state affairs, law and politics is prohibited. In these Muslim countries, as well as the secular West, the role of Sharia is limited to personal and family matters.

Muslim states with blended sources of law: Muslim countries including Pakistan, Indonesia, Afghanistan, Egypt, Nigeria, Sudan, Morocco and Malaysia have legal systems strongly influenced by Sharia, but also cede ultimate authority to their constitutions and the rule of law. These countries conduct democratic elections, although some are also under the influence of authoritarian leaders. In these countries, politicians and jurists make law, rather than religious scholars. Most of these countries have modernized their laws and now have legal systems with significant differences when compared to classical Sharia.

Muslim states using classical Sharia: Saudi Arabia and some of the Gulf states do not have constitutions or legislatures. Their rulers have limited authority to change laws, since they are based on Sharia as it is interpreted by their religious scholars. Iran shares some of these characteristics, but also has a parliament that legislates in a manner consistent with Sharia.

http://www.cfr.org/publication/8034/islam.html

More perspective from Dr. Ali Gomaa is Grand Mufti of Egypt.

Is Sharia law reconcilable with modernity? http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/o...modernity.html

In my own opinion, Sharia law (meaning the more moderate version applied to family and civil matters) is about as compliant with US law as Canon Law is...but nobody protests that. In most settings, both are used for the same purpose, as set of guidlines used to govern personal and family matters.
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More perspective from Dr. Ali Gomaa is Grand Mufti of Egypt.
Now let's hear from the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem...

http://bigjournalism.com/pgeller/201...the-holocaust/
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Now let's hear from the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem...

http://bigjournalism.com/pgeller/201...the-holocaust/
So? I thought we've been over this Vin....I mean Stinky.

None of this surprises me really, and this is an example from decades ago...when many Catholic Bishops were working closely with Hitler as well. Money and power.

How about what some of the US's top Imam's have to say about the Holocaust today?

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On August 7-11, 2010, we the undersigned Muslim American faith and
community leaders visited Dachau and Auschwitz concentration camps where we witnessed firsthand the historical injustice of the Holocaust.

We met survivors who, several decades later, vividly and bravely shared their horrific experience of discrimination, suffering, and loss. We saw the many chilling places where men, women and children were systematically and brutally murdered by the millions because of their faith, race, disability and political affiliation.

In Islam, the destruction of one innocent life is like the destruction of the whole of humanity and the saving of one life is like the saving of the whole of humanity (Holy Qu'ran, al-Ma'idah"the Tablespread" 5:32). While entire communities perished by the many millions, we know that righteous Muslims from Bosnia, Turkey, Tunisia, Morocco, and Albania saved many Jews from brutal repression, torture and senseless destruction.

We bear witness to the absolute horror and tragedy of the Holocaust where over twelve million human souls perished, including six million Jews.

We condemn any attempts to deny this historical reality and declare such denials or any justification of this tragedy as against the Islamic code of ethics.

We condemn anti-Semitism in any form. No creation of Almighty God should face discrimination based on his or her faith or religious conviction.

We stand united as Muslim American faith and community leaders and recognize that we have a shared responsibility to continue to work together with leaders of all faiths and their communities to fight the dehumanization of all peoples based on their religion, race or ethnicity. With the disturbing rise of anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, and other forms of hatred, rhetoric and bigotry, now more than ever, people of faith must stand together for truth.

Together, we pledge to make real the commitment of "never again" and to stand united against injustice wherever it may be found in the world today.
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