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Old 02-24-2006, 08:04 AM   #11
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Actually Jeff Wilkins, David Ackers,and Niel Rackers all make at least 3 million. Rackers makes 3.8 million.
And all are overpaid...I also think closing pitchers are overpaid as well...
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Old 02-24-2006, 08:10 AM   #12
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Who do you replace him with??
the idiot kicker from indy
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Old 02-24-2006, 08:37 AM   #13
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Vinatieri has been absolutely amazing for the Patriots - best clutch kicker the game has ever seen.

On the other hand, I dont think you can justify raising a players wages by 20% year-on-year when logic tells you that his skills have to be diminishing with age.

During the salary cap era, the true skills lies in judging a players skill curve and matching it up against his cap hit.

Its a tough call for sure, but then the Pats do excel at making these type of choices.

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That's a good point but it seems like it would even more difficult to try and gauge a "diminishing of skills" with kickers.
Most kickers have a pretty good shelf life in the NFL and unless he's missed some big kicks for your team or isn't getting consistant depth on the kick-offs it seems like it would be a hard decision as to where you draw the line of risk/reward.
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I'm sure he would like to retire a Patriot... I expect a deal to get done.
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They would be stupid to not resign him, if there is any position where age doesnt matter its the kicker. They can easily play into their early 40's. How you let the guy who won you multiple SBs go, I do not know...
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but have they diminished enough to give the luxury of having him up? first time they lose a game because of a kick just wait. If he was an ordinary kicker i would agree. But guys like Brady and Vinatieri have to exceptions to the rule. Who do you replace him with??
Who can say?

Personally i'd rather have Vinatieri over any kicker from history kicking the big one as time expires....but I just dont know if the Pats can keep absorbing his increasing cap hit.

Brady took a home town discount, lets hope Vinatieri can find a way to do likewise - I really cany imagine he would rather be kicking FG's twenty points down, even if it gave him more money.

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That's a good point but it seems like it would even more difficult to try and gauge a "diminishing of skills" with kickers.
Most kickers have a pretty good shelf life in the NFL and unless he's missed some big kicks for your team or isn't getting consistant depth on the kick-offs it seems like it would be a hard decision as to where you draw the line of risk/reward.
Well I think its fair to say that Vinatieri isn't improving as a kicker - which is a moot point considering he is the best.

But one thing on the way up consistently is his share of the salary cap.

I dont think you can keep accepting an increase of 20% on a players wages - even one as clutch as Vinatieri.

As good as he is, the simple fact remains that if he gets a 20% pay rise - he will be less efficient in terms of cap space than he was last year.

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Who can say?

Personally i'd rather have Vinatieri over any kicker from history kicking the big one as time expires....but I just dont know if the Pats can keep absorbing his increasing cap hit.

Brady took a home town discount, lets hope Vinatieri can find a way to do likewise - I really cany imagine he would rather be kicking FG's twenty points down, even if it gave him more money.

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As would I, but how much of a hometown discount would he have to give? He has his rings. I could see him taking the money and playing in a dome, or warm weather team to pad his stats for the HOF.
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As would I, but how much of a hometown discount would he have to give? He has his rings. I could see him taking the money and playing in a dome, or warm weather team to pad his stats for the HOF.
I think he could retire tomorrow and make it into the H.O.F easily.

I would hope most players that play for the Steelers or the Patriots would value another chance at success and another ring than a slightly larger paypacket.

It is only a hope though, I have no real idea what the players thoughts on the subject are.

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Brady took a home town discount, lets hope Vinatieri can find a way to do likewise - I really cany imagine he would rather be kicking FG's twenty points down, even if it gave him more money.

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you make it seem like the patriots are the only team who arent 20 points down. whats to say he cant go to one of the other 30 teams (steelers arent interrested) and kick game winning field goals there? you put vinatieri on the cowboys last year and the pats miss the playoffs and the cowboys are in. there is life beyond the patriots.
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