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Old 02-24-2006, 05:09 PM   #21
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you make it seem like the patriots are the only team who arent 20 points down. whats to say he cant go to one of the other 30 teams (steelers arent interrested) and kick game winning field goals there? you put vinatieri on the cowboys last year and the pats miss the playoffs and the cowboys are in. there is life beyond the patriots.
thats why the Patriots need Vinatieri more than he needs them. I still say, yes, they could save some money and go get another kicker, but how much is he worth when a game to decide a playoff berth or a conference title or a Super Bowl is on the line?
a lot more than Van der jerk.
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Old 02-24-2006, 05:27 PM   #22
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thats why the Patriots need Vinatieri more than he needs them.
i agree 100% how much is he worth? how can you quantify what 3 sb champs mean to a franchise? i think it was your post a while back describing the 6 degrees of seperation of norwoods missed fg (great post). same with p. carroll getting fired after 2 vinatieri missed kicks.

vinatieri it is very possible that t. brady is just looked at as a good qb (like s. mcnair). the patriots defense is looked at as lesser than the 90's bills defense and belichick is looked at as bill cowher was before he won the big one (someone who couldnt get it done without parcells). fact is vinatieri is more important to belichick than parcells was.
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i agree 100% how much is he worth? how can you quantify what 3 sb champs mean to a franchise? i think it was your post a while back describing the 6 degrees of seperation of norwoods missed fg (great post). same with p. carroll getting fired after 2 vinatieri missed kicks.

vinatieri it is very possible that t. brady is just looked at as a good qb (like s. mcnair). the patriots defense is looked at as lesser than the 90's bills defense and belichick is looked at as bill cowher was before he won the big one (someone who couldnt get it done without parcells). fact is vinatieri is more important to belichick than parcells was.
i think every great team has some key cogs it could never have won without. It doesnt lessen each one. Lombardi doesnt win without Starr and visa versa. the Steelers dont win without Bradshaw or Noll, maybe not Harris (see 1976), or Lambert. the 49ers dont without Montana or Walsh. The Cowboys not without Aikman or Smith. And for the Patriots, not without Belichick or Brady or Vinatieri. For a kicker to be in that category makes him a HOFer.
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i think every great team has some key cogs it could never have won without. It doesnt lessen each one. Lombardi doesnt win without Starr and visa versa. the Steelers dont win without Bradshaw or Noll, maybe not Harris (see 1976), or Lambert. the 49ers dont without Montana or Walsh. The Cowboys not without Aikman or Smith. And for the Patriots, not without Belichick or Brady or Vinatieri. For a kicker to be in that category makes him a HOFer.
as much as id like to argue with that i cant. im pretty sure the only kicker in the hall of fame is jan stanereud. also think vinatieri has the longest fg at heinz field. that in itself says alot.
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Vinatieri doesn't have the endorsement deals like Brady to lessen the $ blow of taking a hometown discount. I hope this blows up in the Pats face. You don't find clutch kickers everyday. They should of had him locked up a while ago.
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as much as id like to argue with that i cant. im pretty sure the only kicker in the hall of fame is jan stanereud. also think vinatieri has the longest fg at heinz field. that in itself says alot.
Stanereud is the only kicker in the HOF. Vinatieri needs more points. I think he's around a thousand, but because of the longevity at that position there are several kickers who have around two thousand points.
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Rumor has it that Willie McGinest may also become a free agent.
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