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Old 03-01-2006, 05:40 PM   #31
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Default Re: Some Balance on Iraq

Just found this poll on military.com:

Troops poll: Pull out of Iraq in six months

By Gordon Trowbridge
Times staff writer


About half of American troops in Iraq believe the U.S. military should leave the country within six months, and three out of four think they should pull out within a year, according to a first-of-its-kind attempt to scientifically gauge the opinion of troops in a war zone.

The poll, released on Tuesday by national pollster John Zogby, includes face-to-face interviews of 944 randomly selected military personnel at four large U.S. bases. Among the findings:


• 29 percent said U.S. troops should withdraw immediately. Another 22 percent said the U.S. should withdraw within six months, and 21 percent within a year. Just 23 percent said they believe troops should remain “as long as they are needed.”

• 58 percent said the reasons for the U.S. mission in Iraq is clear in their minds; 42 percent said it was unclear or they were unsure.

• 85 percent said they believed a main reason for invading Iraq was “to retaliate for Saddam’s role in the 9/11 attacks.” That’s despite the fact that there is very little concrete evidence linking Saddam Hussein to al-Qaida, and that several independent inquiries have found no links whatsoever between Saddam and the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001.

Zogby, a widely recognized pollster who has done work for NBC, the Wall Street Journal and other organizations, conducted the poll for the Le Moyne College of Syracuse, N.Y., his alma mater. He said he is unaware of any previous attempts to independently and scientifically poll troops deployed to a combat zone.

Stars and Stripes, an independent publication produced under the auspices of the Defense Department, did an unscientific survey of thousands of troops in 2003, finding low morale and other issues. In January, the annual Military Times Poll — which surveys readers of the Military Times papers as representative of career-oriented troops — found support for the Bush administration’s policy in Iraq slipped significantly in 2005.

Zogby said his poll used civilian surveyors to randomly select troops for face-to-face interviews at four large U.S. bases in Iraq. The technique is similar to those used by U.S. pollsters to perform exit polls outside voting precincts on election day.

Zogby said he could not reveal more information on the personnel used to perform the surveys, or specify which bases were polled, because of concerns for the security of the interviewers.
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Old 03-01-2006, 05:46 PM   #32
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No offense, but link? "Times" staff writer? What times?

And are these US Bases in the US? Makes a HUGE difference.
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Old 03-01-2006, 05:50 PM   #33
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[QUOTE=Stlrs4Life]Just found this poll on military.com:

Troops poll: Pull out of Iraq in six months

By Gordon Trowbridge
Times staff writer


This is unreal! How low or liberal have we become! This makes me sick, we are now polling troops! Times staff writer! Is this the NY times?
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Old 03-01-2006, 06:21 PM   #34
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Default Re: Some Balance on Iraq

I looked around and found this...

http://www.militarycity.com/polls/2005_main.php

It's clearly not the same article or poll, though...

Troops sound off
Military Times Poll finds high morale, but less support for Bush, war effort

2005 Poll
Disconnect cited between troops, civilian leadership
Four years of combat have done little to dent the morale of the professional military, results of the 2005 Military Times Poll show. But there are also hints in the results that the wave of good feeling may have crested.

By Gordon Trowbridge
Times staff writer

Support for President Bush and for the war in Iraq has slipped significantly in the last year among members of the military’s professional core, according to the 2005 Military Times Poll.

Approval of the president’s Iraq policy fell 9 percentage points from 2004; a bare majority, 54 percent, now say they view his performance on Iraq as favorable. Support for his overall performance fell 11 points, to 60 percent, among active-duty readers
of the Military Times newspapers. Though support both for President Bush and for the war in Iraq remains significantly higher than in the public as a whole, the drop is likely to add further fuel to the heated debate over Iraq policy. In 2003 and 2004, supporters of the war in Iraq pointed to high approval ratings in the Military Times Poll as a signal that military members were behind President Bush’s the president’s policy.

The poll also found diminished optimism that U.S. goals in Iraq can be accomplished, and a somewhat smaller drop in support for the decision to go to war in 2003.

The mail survey, conducted Nov. 14 through Dec. 23, is the third annual effort by the Military Times to measure the opinions of the active-duty military on political and morale issues. The results should not be read as representative of the military as a whole; the survey’s respondents are on average older, more experienced, more likely to be officers and more career-oriented than the military population. But the numbers are among the best measures of opinion in a difficult-to-survey population. The professional military seems to be lessening in its certainty about the wisdom of the Iraq intervention and the way it has been handled,” said Richard Kohn, a professor of political science at the University of North Carolina who studies civil-military relations. “This seems to be more and more in keeping with changes in public views, and that’s not surprising.”

The survey mirrors a similar shift in U.S. public opinion over the last year. The CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll, for example, recorded an eight-point drop in public approval for Iraq policy, from 47 percent in November 2004 to 39 percent in December 2005.

The drops in support seen in the Military Times Poll are “real drops, but I see them as reflecting the tone of the country,” said David Segal, a military sociologist at the University of Maryland. “People in the military talk to folks back home. Eventually, the military does catch up [with public opinion].” Other changes from ’04

Opinions on the president and Iraq weren’t the only shifts in the 2005 poll:

• Positive feelings about Congress, civilian and uniformed Pentagon leaders and the media all fell.

• Respondents also were less likely than in the past to believe other segments of the country viewed the military favorably. In 2004, 37 percent said civilians viewed the military very favorably; that fell to 24 percent this year. Last year, 77 percent said politicians saw the military very or somewhat favorably; 63 percent said so this year.

• There was somewhat more support for opening military service to openly homosexual Americans: 59 percent said open homosexuals should not be allowed to serve, down six points from last year.

• Opposition to the draft fell slightly, from 75 percent last year to 68 percent this year.

• Nearly two-thirds said the military is stretched too thin to be effective, though that figure is down substantially from two years ago.

• Job satisfaction and approval of pay, health benefits, training and equipment remain high — though in many cases, the support is less enthusiastic than in past years, based on responses.

• For the first time in the three-year history of the poll, more than half of respondents said they had deployed in support of the wars in Iraq or Afghanistan.

But few of those shifts appear as significant as those on the president.

to be sure, support for the president and his policies remains stronger in the Military Times Poll than in surveys of the general public: The president’s approval rating is as much as 20 percentage points higher than in the civilian population. Part of that difference is partisan: While roughly a third of Americans describe themselves as Democrats, just 13 percent of Military Times Poll respondents do so.

In follow-up interviews, most poll respondents said they remain solidly behind their commander in chief and his policy in Iraq.

“I think we’re fortunate as a country to have someone who has the focus and the persistence that he does because it’s so easy to get sidetracked,” said Navy Cmdr. Jeff Bohler. “The ability of the president to persevere in the face of overwhelming criticism is really impressive. It takes someone with a spine and courage.”

Many attributed the fall in support, both among the public and the military, withto a misguided lack of patience.

“We live in a society where … people want answers right away,” said Air Force Capt. Randall Carlson, a physics instructor at the Air Force Academy, who said he approves of the president’s policies. “Unfortunately with Iraq, there are no easy answers.”

‘They don’t report good news’ While 73 percent of respondents believe it’s likely the United States will succeed in Iraq, that’s down 10 points from a year ago.

“We’re losing a lot of troops. The suicide bombers are not stopping,” said Air Force Staff Sgt. Melida G. Castano. “It doesn’t look promising at this point.”

But others blamed the loss in confidence on the media, which many said has failed to report positive news in Iraq. Four of every five respondents said they believe media reports are often inaccurate.

“They don’t report the good news, and if they do, it’s on the back page,” said Marine Chief Warrant Officer-3 Michael Edmonson.

Though the number of respondents who have deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan was up 17 percentage points from a year ago, to 61 percent, that does not seem to have significantly affected opinions on Iraq. There was no significant difference in opinions between those who have deployed and those who haven’t, and responses from the Army and Marine Corps — the services under the most strain in Iraq — were not much different from other services.

Kohn, the University of North Carolina researcher, said the shifting opinions on Iraq may simply reflect shifts in the rest of the country. But he said he believes military opinions are at least partially insulated from civilian trends.

“The military is very capable of drawing differing judgments from the general population,” he said. “Military people think about these things with considerable sophistication. That is also sometimes undermined by their instinct to be loyal to the administration — any administration — to the government and to the mission.”

As in the previous two years, Military Times Poll respondents were reluctant to express opinions, even anonymously, about the commander in chief or his policies. About one in five refused to say whether they approved of the president’s performance on Iraq or overall.

“That’s my boss,” Army Lt. Col. Earnestine Beatty said in a follow-up interview. “I can’t comment.” Kohn said he worried that asking such questions of military members and publishing the results could tarnish the military’s image as a nonpartisan institution.

The poll “tends to communicate to the American people that the military is just like any other interest group,” Kohn said. “We want the public image of the military to be decidedly apolitical."
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Default Re: Some Balance on Iraq

Actually, I found this which is a more accurate version I'd say...

http://www.militarycity.com/polls/2005_chart2.php

1) Are you on active duty?

NOTE: Only active-duty responses were counted in remaining results.
Yes
85%
No
15%

2) Service branch:
Army
48%
Navy
20%
Air Force
21%
Marine Corps.
10%
Coast Guard
1%
No response
1%

3) How many times have you deployed to Iraq?
Once
31%
Twice
11%
Three times
2%
More than three times
0%
Never/no response
53%

4) How many times have you deployed to Afghanistan?
Once
11%
Twice
3%
Three times
0%
More than three times
1%
Never/no response
85%

5) In total, I have deployed in support of the war in Afghanistan and/or Iraq for:
Less than 2 months
3%
3-6 months
19%
7-12 months
22%
13-18 months
10%
19 or more months
7%
Haven't deployed/no response
39%

6) Should the U.S. have gone to war in Iraq?
Yes
56%
No
26%
No opinion/no answer
7%
Decline to answer/no answer
11%

7) Regardless of whether you think the U.S. should have gone to war, how likely is the U.S. to succeed?
Very likely to succeed
31%
Somewhat likely to succeed
42%
Not very likely to succeed
17%
Not at all likely to succeed
3%
No opinion/no answer
6%

8) How soon do you think the Iraqi military will be ready to replace large numbers of American troops?
Less than a year
2%
1-2 years
27%
3-5 years
40%
5-10 years
17%
More than 10 years
7%
No opinion/no answer
6%

9) How long do you think the U.S. will need to stay in Iraq to reach its goals?
Less than a year
2%
1-2 years
11%
3-5 years
35%
5-10 years
30%
More than 10 years
15%
No opinion/no answer
6%

10) Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling the situation with Iraq?
Approve
54%
Disapprove
25%
No opinion
9%
Decline to answer
12%
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You're right 3 to be 4, I can't speak for every single soldier. I can, however, speak for the group of 67 soldiers that I CURRENTLY support, and the 48 that are already home..and they have given me the permission to speak for them. They do believe in what they're doing over there. Of course we're stuck over there. And yes, invading Iraq has turned into a huge mistake (happy?) but leaving there prematurely is not the right thing to do. And the aforementioned soldiers, they would like to finish the job that they started.

stlrs4life and BBFW, thank you for your service.

when did i say we should leave prematurely? We actually agree!!!! It was a mistake going there AND because of it we stuck there for a while. And this is the responsibility of GW. And to say that has nothing whatsoever to do with supporting or not supporting the troops. Ands its been disgusting how he has hidden behind that.
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Actually, I found this which is a more accurate version I'd say...

http://www.militarycity.com/polls/2005_chart2.php

1) Are you on active duty?

NOTE: Only active-duty responses were counted in remaining results.
Yes
85%
No
15%

2) Service branch:
Army
48%
Navy
20%
Air Force
21%
Marine Corps.
10%
Coast Guard
1%
No response
1%

3) How many times have you deployed to Iraq?
Once
31%
Twice
11%
Three times
2%
More than three times
0%
Never/no response
53%

4) How many times have you deployed to Afghanistan?
Once
11%
Twice
3%
Three times
0%
More than three times
1%
Never/no response
85%

5) In total, I have deployed in support of the war in Afghanistan and/or Iraq for:
Less than 2 months
3%
3-6 months
19%
7-12 months
22%
13-18 months
10%
19 or more months
7%
Haven't deployed/no response
39%

6) Should the U.S. have gone to war in Iraq?
Yes
56%
No
26%
No opinion/no answer
7%
Decline to answer/no answer
11%

7) Regardless of whether you think the U.S. should have gone to war, how likely is the U.S. to succeed?
Very likely to succeed
31%
Somewhat likely to succeed
42%
Not very likely to succeed
17%
Not at all likely to succeed
3%
No opinion/no answer
6%

8) How soon do you think the Iraqi military will be ready to replace large numbers of American troops?
Less than a year
2%
1-2 years
27%
3-5 years
40%
5-10 years
17%
More than 10 years
7%
No opinion/no answer
6%

9) How long do you think the U.S. will need to stay in Iraq to reach its goals?
Less than a year
2%
1-2 years
11%
3-5 years
35%
5-10 years
30%
More than 10 years
15%
No opinion/no answer
6%

10) Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling the situation with Iraq?
Approve
54%
Disapprove
25%
No opinion
9%
Decline to answer
12%

Question #6. When troops are asked should the US have gone to war in Iraq, only 56% said yes. 44% did not say yes. So are the 44% "Not supporting the troops"????
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I will always vote for a president who chooses to be proactive not reactive! Everyone who sides against GW can go on and on with why we should not have went to iraq, or that we should pull out, but it will not change a thing. GW, is not and will not change what he has started!
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GW, is not and will not change what he has started!
therein lies the problem. the whole plan all along is to let the next administration deal with it. to bad he didnt have the guts to tell that to the voting public in the 1st place. in the meantime the pentagon is having to cut the military to pay for the rebuilding of iraq and the training and education of future terrorists and us as a nation is becoming weaker
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Question #6. When troops are asked should the US have gone to war in Iraq, only 56% said yes. 44% did not say yes. So are the 44% "Not supporting the troops"????
Now thats a stupid question....just because 44% said no the US should not have gone to war that doesn't mean they don't support their own fellow troops.You should be a reporter because they ask stupid questions just like yours.The 44% you speak of stated their opinion and if you were ever in the military you would know what I'm talking about.I served 6 years in the US Army and served in Desert Storm(90-91)...thats all you got over here is each others backs.....not every soldier agrees with being here but they do support each other....
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