Madden: No crime but Ben does time

[Downbylaw]

Originally Posted by BigRick

I totaly agree with Madden. Several months ago a Colts player was accused of the same thing Ben was. But....... he wasn't a starter on the team. haven't heard anything more about it. Could it have been swept under the rug since he wasn't a star in the NFL? Then several weeks ago a Colts player was found drunk in a ditch. In Indiana that merits a drunk in public charge. But...... he wasn't charged. Haven't heard anything from Goddell about either incident. Wherse does he draw the line?

Thats because it wasnt his SECOND TIME. What happened Bens 1st time? You didnt hear anything about it. Why? Because ESPN put a gag order on the story. Did Ben get suspended after his 1st allegatin? NO he didnt. SIGH

Let someone at your job get two rape allegations in a year and see if there isnt some damage control done. You guys are insane, I swear.

[BigRick]

Originally Posted by Downbylaw

Thats because it wasnt his SECOND TIME. What happened Bens 1st time? You didnt hear anything about it. Why? Because ESPN put a gag order on the story. Did Ben get suspended after his 1st allegatin? NO he didnt. SIGH

Let someone at your job get two rape allegations in a year and see if there isnt some damage control done. You guys are insane, I swear.

Where were you under a rock? His first so called offense was all over the internet and the news.

[Downbylaw]

Originally Posted by BigRick

Where were you under a rock? His first so called offense was all over the internet and the news.

Of course it was, AFTER awhile. But again, did he gets suspended? No he didnt.
We had just won the Super Bowl, what did you think it would be a non story for long? SIGH

[Steel_Bus_24]

Originally Posted by Downbylaw

Thats because it wasnt his SECOND TIME. What happened Bens 1st time? You didnt hear anything about it. Why? Because ESPN put a gag order on the story. Did Ben get suspended after his 1st allegatin? NO he didnt. SIGH

Let someone at your job get two rape allegations in a year and see if there isnt some damage control done. You guys are insane, I swear.

don't give me that 1st time 2nd time...."Its a Pattern of behavior" BS in this matter


Other players have been freaking charged 2-3 times and received less


Look at that punk Brandon Marshall....hes had like 9 run ins with the law and got a

whopping 1 freaking game


Even if I were to believe Ben should be suspended(Which I don't), no way should it be 6 games

[Ruffneck525]

OP.....that was quite simply one of the best most accurate posts ever made. period

[mikegrimey]

Article is dead on regarding the inconsistencies or moral subjectivity on display here as well as Goodell's fear of PC elitists screaming "racism" influencing his decision.

It's bad luck but can't stop it now.

[zulater]

Originally Posted by Downbylaw

He did deserve to be suspended. How anyone thinks he doesnt just blows ME away. Even Ben thinks he should have been. Thats the reason he didnt appeal it.

That's speculative, we really don't know why Ben didn't appeal. Personally my own speculation is that I think it was put to him in a non subtle way that his compliance with whatever ruling Goodell set down was tantamount to his remaining a Steeler. I further believe that Ben may have painted himself in a corner inasmuch as he might have agreed to full compliance with Goodell's ruling before knowing what it was that was coming and he was likely expecting much less.

[Downbylaw]

Originally Posted by Steel_Bus_24

don't give me that 1st time 2nd time...."Its a Pattern of behavior" BS in this matter


Other players have been freaking charged 2-3 times and received less


Look at that punk Brandon Marshall....hes had like 9 run ins with the law and got a

whopping 1 freaking game


Even if I were to believe Ben should be suspended(Which I don't), no way should it be 6 games

Has Brandon embarrassed the league? I guarantee offhand not many fans would know what those runins were. EVERYONE knows what Ben is alleged. Therein lies the difference. Truth knocks the brains out of falsehood.

[Downbylaw]

Originally Posted by zulater

That's speculative, we really don't know why Ben didn't appeal. Personally my own speculation is that I think it was put to him in a non subtle way that his compliance with whatever ruling Goodell set down was tantamount to his remaining a Steeler. I further believe that Ben may have painted himself in a corner inasmuch as he might have agreed to full compliance with Goodell's ruling before knowing what it was that was coming and he was likely expecting much less.

Those speculations dont align themselves with the facts. Ben was ok with the suspension AFTER the decision, hence no appeal. I'll be candid and ask you a point blank question- what would happen to you at your job if you had two rape allegations in a year. Your telling me they would take a "well he wasnt charged" approach? NO BUSINESS or entitity takes that stuff lying down. Those are the facts. I also, find it suspicious that this "victim" has yet to file a civil suit. The whole thing smells of a payoff. If this was Carson Palmer you would be agreeing with me but since Ben is on our team you have a bias. Sorry, I dont.

[zulater]

Originally Posted by Downbylaw

Those speculations dont align themselves with the facts. Ben was ok with the suspension AFTER the decision, hence no appeal. I'll be candid and ask you a point blank question- what would happen to you at your job if you had two rape allegations in a year. Your telling me they would take a "well he wasnt charged" approach? NO BUSINESS or entitity takes that stuff lying down. Those are the facts. I also, find it suspicious that this "victim" has yet to file a civil suit. The whole thing smells of a payoff. If this was Carson Palmer you would be agreeing with me but since Ben is on our team you have a bias. Sorry, I dont.

If there was a payoff I can guarantee you that it was the accuser's people that approached Ben rather than the other way around. Because if Ben's people had initiated such a discussion it could have resulted in felony witness tampering charges.

And on a different board last year I vehemently defended Donte Stallworth and he was a Brown. And no I don't agree with drunken driving, but specific to the facts of that case the punishement meted out by both the local autorities and the league I found to be appropriate, and believe me I got lambasted for that opinion. So no it's not just about Ben being a Steeler.

As was the case there after have familiarized myself with all the available facts, not just the sensationilized ones, I found it way more likely that Ben was innocent of commiting a crime than commiting one, therefore he's deserving of the same presumption of innocence that any uncharged person would be.