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Old 09-14-2010, 04:31 PM   #21
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algebra, paper manufacturing, gunpowder, textiles, the university systems, etc...

Google to your heart's content. Be curious, learn. Let the kids walk on the grass.
The Nubians were doing what we call Algebra long before the advent of islam. The Chinese were using gunpowder before Jesus. Ditto paper. WTF did islam have to do with textiles? "University system"? You're just making @#$% up.

You seem to need to attribute something positive to islam and in doing so you associate things of other cultures with islam.

Mom, Alcohol had been around for thousands of years before islam. I've looked everywhere for some relationship between alcohol production and islam and find nothing.

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So you want an immigration policy that has quotas based on religion, race or both?
Well, technically we still have immigration policies based on race.

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The Hart-Cellar Act abolished the national origins quota system that had structured American immigration policy since the 1920s, replacing it with a preference system that focused on immigrants' skills and family relationships with citizens or residents of the U.S. Numerical restrictions on visas were set at 170,000 per year, not including immediate relatives of U.S. citizens, nor "special immigrants" (including those born in "independent" nations in the Western hemisphere; former citizens; ministers; employees of the U.S. government abroad)
http://library.uwb.edu/guides/USimmi...ality_act.html

An annual limitation of 300,000 visas was established for immigrants, including 170,000 from Eastern Hemisphere countries, with no more than 20,000 per country. By 1968, the annual limitation from the Western Hemisphere was set at 120,000 immigrants, with visas available on a first-come, first-served basis. However, the number of family reunification visas was unlimited. While as of 2010 there are no quotas for immigrant spouses of US citizens, quotas for other types of relatives of US citizens have since been instituted.

I think what some others would like to see is a form of the 1924 Immigration Act that restricted visas from certain parts of the world (mostly China, Japan, Phillipines and other East Asian and Asian Indian countries).
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The Nubians were doing what we call Algebra long before the advent of islam.
Khwarizmi, Abu Jafar Muhammad ibn Musa al-

Mathematician, astronomer, and geographer. Synthesized extant Hellenic, Sanskritic, and cuneiform traditions to develop algebra, a term derived from the title of one of his books (containing the term al-jabr, meaning “forcing” [numbers). Introduced Arabic numerals into the Latin West, based on a place-value decimal system developed from Indian sources. The word algorithm is derived from a Latin corruption of his name.

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Gunpowder Composition for Rockets and Cannon
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In Thirteenth and Fourteenth Centuries
http://www.history-science-technolog...ticles%202.htm

Potassium Nitrate in Arabic and Latin Sources

http://www.history-science-technolog...ticles%203.htm

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Ditto paper. WTF did islam have to do with textiles?
They obviously didn't invent textiles, but Muslims were responsible for a dramatic change in how textiles and other goods were manufactured. I think that's what Vis meant.

TRANSFER OF ISLAMIC TECHNOLOGY TO THE WEST

PART 1

AVENUES OF TECHNOLOGY TRANSFER

http://www.history-science-technolog...ticles%207.htm

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"University system"? You're just making @#$% up.
No, he's really not making shit up. The University of Al Karaouine as the oldest degree-granting university in the world with its founding in 859 CE. Islamic schools were also the first to hand out doctorates.

http://www.jstor.org/pss/604423

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You are not looking hard enough then. Note I said production (distillation) and not invention of alcohol.

Here's a small blurb from Wikipedia. The link also cites references and other examples of Muslim discoveries.

"Early forms of distillation were known to the Babylonians, Greeks and Egyptians since ancient times, but it was Muslim chemists who first invented pure distillation processes which could fully purify chemical substances. They also developed several different variations of distillation (such as dry distillation, destructive distillation and steam distillation) and introduced new distillation aparatus (such as the alembic, still, and retort), and invented a variety of new chemical processes and over 2,000 substances."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventi...cal_industries
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1. Coffee

The story goes that an Arab named Khalid was tending his goats in the Kaffa region of southern Ethiopia, when he noticed hi s animals became livelier after eating a certain berry. He boiled the berries to make the first coffee. Certainly the first record of the drink is of beans exported from Ethiopia to Yemen where Sufis drank it to stay awake all night to pray on special occasions. By the late 15th century it had arrived in Mecca and Turkey from where it made its way to Venice in 1645. It was brought to England in 1650 by a Turk named Pasqua Rosee who opened the first coffee house in Lombard Street in the City of London . The Arabic qahwa became the Turkish kahve then the Italian caffé and then English coffee.
2. Chess
A form of chess was played in ancient India but the game was developed into the form we know it today in Persia. From there i t spread westward to Europe - where it was introduced by the Moors in Spain in the 10th century - and eastward as far as Japan. The word rook comes from the Persian rukh, which means chariot.
3. Parachute
A thousand years before the Wright brothers a Muslim poet, astronomer, musician and engineer named Abbas ibn Firnas made several attempts to construct a flying machine. In 852 he jumped from the minaret of the Grand Mosque in Cordoba using a loose cloak stiffened with wooden struts. He hoped to glide like a bird. He didn't. But the cloak slowed his fall, creating what is thought to be the first parachute, and leaving him with only minor injuries. In 875, aged 70, having perfected a machine of silk and eagles' feathers he tried again, jumping from a mountain. He flew to a significant height and stayed aloft for ten minutes but crashed on landing - concluding, correctly, that it was because he had not given his device a tail so it would stall on landing. Baghdad international airport and a crater on the Moon are named after him.
4. Shampoo
Washing and bathing are religious requirements for Muslims, which is perhaps why they perfected the recipe for soap which we still use today. The ancient Egyptians had soap of a kind, as did the Romans who used it more as a pomade. But it was the Arabs who combined vegetable oils with sodium hydroxide and aromatics such as thyme oil. One of the Crusaders' most striking characteristics, to Arab nostrils, was that they did not wash. Shampoo was introduced to England by a Muslim who opened Mahomed's Indian Vapour Baths on Brighton seafront in 1759 and was appointed Shampooing Surgeon to Kings George IV and William IV.
5. Metal Armor
Quilting is a method of sewing or tying two layers of cloth with a layer of insulating material in between. It is not clear whether it was invented in the Muslim world or whether it was imported there from India or China. But it certainly came to the West via the Crusaders. They saw it used by Saracen warriors, who wore straw-filled quilted canvas shirts instead of armour. As well as a form of protection, it proved an effective guard against the chafing of the Crusaders' metal armour and was an effective form of insulation - so much so that it became a cottage industry back home in colder climates such as Britain and Holland.
6. Surgery
Many modern surgical instruments are of exactly the same design as those devised in the 10th century by a Muslim surgeon called al-Zahrawi. His scalpels, bone saws, forceps, fine scissors for eye surgery and many of the 200 instruments he devised are recognisable to a modern surgeon. It was he who discovered that catgut used for internal stitches dissolves away naturally (a discovery he made when his monkey ate his lute strings) and that it can be also used to make medicine capsules. In the 13th century, another Muslim medic named Ibn Nafis described the circulation of the blood, 300 years before William Harvey discovered it. Muslims doctors also invented anaesthetics of opium and alcohol mixes and developed hollow needles to suck cataracts from eyes in a technique still used today.
7. Soup
Ali ibn Nafi, known by his nickname of Ziryab (Blackbird) came from Iraq to Cordoba in the 9th century and brought with him the concept of the three-course meal - soup, followed by fish or meat, then fruit and nuts. He also introduced crystal glasses
8. Pay Cheques
The modern cheque comes from the Arabic saqq, a written vow to pay for goods when they were delivered, to avoid money having to be transported across dangerous terrain. In the 9th century, a Muslim businessman could cash a cheque in China drawn on his bank in Baghdad.
9. Rocket and Torpedo
Though the Chinese invented saltpetre gunpowder, and used it in their fireworks, it was the Arabs who worked out that it could be purified using potassium nitrate for military use. Muslim incendiary devices terrified the Crusaders. By the 15th century they had invented both a rocket, which they called a "self-moving and combusting egg", and a torpedo - a self-propelled pear-shaped bomb with a spear at the front which impaled itself in enemy ships and then blew up.
10. Windmill
The windmill was invented in 634 for a Persian caliph and was used to grind corn and draw up water for irrigation. In the va st deserts of Arabia, when the seasonal streams ran dry, the only source of power was the wind which blew steadily from one direction for months. Mills had six or 12 sails covered in fabric or palm leaves. It was 500 years before the first windmill was seen in Europe.
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Catholics make good football players and they don't fly our airplanes into our buildings.

muslims don't do @#$%. And everything they touch turns to @#$%. I can't think of a single thing that islam has contributed to the world except terrorism. Zip, zilch, nada. If you look at what they've done to Europe, keep them the @#$% out.
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http://www.oxfordislamicstudies.com/...opr/t125/e1305
So an islamic propaganda site says nothing about this guy "inventing" algebra. Their words, "he developed it".

The Nubians "invented" what we call algebra" I posted the link earlier.

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Gunpowder Composition for Rockets and Cannon
in Arabic Military Treatises In Thirteenth and Fourteenth Centuries
http://www.history-science-technolog...ticles%202.htm
So what? The Chinese invented it scores of centuries before. The Europeans used the technology as well. The only thing muslims added to blowing @#$% up was blowing themselves up. Very impressive.

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They obviously didn't invent textiles, but Muslims were responsible for a dramatic change in how textiles and other goods were manufactured. I think that's what Vis meant.
I think that's what Vis meant.

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TRANSFER OF ISLAMIC TECHNOLOGY TO THE WEST

PART 1

AVENUES OF TECHNOLOGY TRANSFER

http://www.history-science-technolog...ticles%207.htm
The common thread to all these "islam actually did something positive" apology articles is that muslims were someplace where something positive was already going on - including the "near East". As this article notes, al this civilized activity was going on since ancient times. islam just happened to emerge and spread on the same ground. But it had nothing whatsoever to do with advancing any civilization.

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No, he's really not making shit up. The University of Al Karaouine as the oldest degree-granting university in the world with its founding in 859 CE. Islamic schools were also the first to hand out doctorates.

http://www.jstor.org/pss/604423
So from that we are to conclude that islam is responsible "for the university system". Thin.

"Universitas" is where the term came from. The University of Bologna is "the oldest university in the Western world". So the crown for "the oldest" is a pissing contest. To say that islam had anything to do with "inventing" or originating what we call the university system isn't there. Bologna makes no reference to Ali Baba U.

http://www.eng.unibo.it/PortaleEn/Un...ry/default.htm

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You are not looking hard enough then. Note I said production (distillation) and not invention of alcohol.

Here's a small blurb from Wikipedia. The link also cites references and other examples of Muslim discoveries.
Muslim discoveries? C'mon Mom.

The Chinese were making perfume millenia before mohammad zoomed his first nine year old. The monks were distilling "the spirits', or as they call "it" aqua vītae, ("water of life") in Scotland (then Alban) and Ireland during late Roman times..

http://www.thewhiskyguide.com/Facts/History.html

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10 Greatest Inventions by Muslims

1. Coffee

The story goes that an Arab named Khalid was tending his goats in the Kaffa region of southern Ethiopia...
OK, I'll give them coffee.

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[2. Chess
A form of chess was played in ancient India but the game was developed into the form we know it today in Persia.
OK, so the Indians invented Chess. The Hindus also "invented" what has become to be known as the Arabic numeral" system. But, of course, islam gets the credit. How long was Persia around before mo was raping and pillaging the "near East"?

I'm noticing that Pravda is the source for these. Odd.

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[3. Parachute
A thousand years before the Wright brothers a Muslim poet, astronomer, musician and engineer named Abbas ibn Firnas made several attempts to construct a flying machine. In 852 he jumped from the minaret of the Grand Mosque in Cordoba using a loose cloak stiffened with wooden struts...
Who, in Europe, Asia, and presumably even the Antarctica, wasn't trying to fly since the beginning of time?

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[5. Metal Armor
Quilting is a method of sewing or tying two layers of cloth with a layer of insulating material in between. It is not clear whether it was invented in the Muslim world or whether it was imported there from India or China....
That's correct Bob, China.

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[6. Surgery
Many modern surgical instruments are of exactly the same design as those devised in the 10th century by a Muslim surgeon called al-Zahrawi. His scalpels, bone saws, forceps, fine scissors for eye surgery and many of the 200 instruments he devised are recognisable to a modern surgeon....
Blah, blah, blah. The Incas did brain surgery too. So what? People have been hacking on people since the beginning of time.

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[7. Soup
Ali ibn Nafi, known by his nickname of Ziryab (Blackbird) came from Iraq to Cordoba in the 9th century and brought with him the concept of the three-course meal - soup, followed by fish or meat, then fruit and nuts. He also introduced crystal glasses
Bull@#$%. Cavemen invented soup.

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8. Pay Cheques
The modern cheque comes from the Arabic saqq, a written vow to pay for goods when they were delivered, to avoid money having to be transported across dangerous terrain. In the 9th century, a Muslim businessman could cash a cheque in China drawn on his bank in Baghdad.
Maybe. This may explain the fixation muslims have with paychecks.

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9. Rocket and Torpedo
Though the Chinese invented saltpetre gunpowder, and used it in their fireworks, it was the Arabs who worked out that it could be purified using potassium nitrate for military use. Muslim incendiary devices terrified the Crusaders. By the 15th century they had invented both a rocket, which they called a "self-moving and combusting egg", and a torpedo - a self-propelled pear-shaped bomb with a spear at the front which impaled itself in enemy ships and then blew up.
Yes, that was indeed a great contribution to mankind. It also seems to be the extent of their severely limited intellects as well. Very impressive, considering.

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10. Windmill
The windmill was invented in 634 for a Persian caliph ...
And islam had what to do with this?

So we have coffee, paychecks and bombs. Nothing new in the world of islam, is there?

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Timothy McVeigh was Catholic. True, he didn't fly a plane into the Murrah Building, but...
He also didn't blow up the Murrah Building.

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He also didn't blow up the Murrah Building.

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Proof? Other than a book that is as much of an opinion piece as all the "9/11 was an inside job" articles, books and documentaries are?

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So an islamic propaganda site says nothing about this guy "inventing" algebra. Their words, "he developed it".

The Nubians "invented" what we call algebra" I posted the link earlier.
You didn't mention "inventions" in your original post. You said they have never contributed anything to society. I, and a couple others, have done nothing but prove you wrong.

You can try to be all slick and call my link an "islamic propaganda site", but the information on Khwarizmi is factual. You can find it by checking a few other links on your own.

You are also known to use biased sources of information, so it's not really fair to dismiss one persons source and use opinion pieces as informational documents.

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So what? The Chinese invented it scores of centuries before. The Europeans used the technology as well. The only thing muslims added to blowing @#$% up was blowing themselves up. Very impressive.
Again, never said they invented gunpowder. I'm pretty sure our military is very thankful that a some Muslims centuries ago figured out how to make rockets to blow shit up.

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The common thread to all these "islam actually did something positive" apology articles is that muslims were someplace where something positive was already going on - including the "near East". As this article notes, al this civilized activity was going on since ancient times. islam just happened to emerge and spread on the same ground. But it had nothing whatsoever to do with advancing any civilization.
These are not apology articles. These are factual articles. Many cultures bandwagoned off of others...that's how we as humans evolved mentally and societally. Saying that Muslims never contributed anything to that development though is complete ignorance. There's more than enough evidence to the contrary of your statement.


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The Chinese were making perfume millenia before mohammad zoomed his first nine year old. The monks were distilling "the spirits', or as they call "it" aqua vītae, ("water of life") in Scotland (then Alban) and Ireland during late Roman times..
Yes, I said Muslim discoveries. You need to read the entire link I posted. I know they didn't discover everything and didn't invent everything, but they furthered advancement in so many different areas that it is literally too much for me to post.

You keep posting about distillation like I said Muslims invented it. I did not. I even posted that other cultures were distilling alcohol before Muslims were. No other culture had ever been able to grasp pure distillation (and chemistry as a whole) the way the Muslims did though. That's just a simple fact that you can't refute...and yes, it had a lot to do with the way alcohol was produced, transported and eventually enjoyed by many.
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