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Old 09-14-2010, 11:24 PM   #31
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You said they have never contributed anything to society. I, and a couple others, have done nothing but prove you wrong.
I'll respectfully disagree. I'm reading here about a lot of happenstance attributed to muslims by apologists for islam. In many of the examples the dates don't accommodate islamic involvement; in others trying to explain the achievement as islamic just isn't possible.

islam occurred relatively late to many established cultures. islam contributed nothing to the cultures. Rather, it has de-evolved every culture it has overtaken. Its nature isn't to explore, invent, improve or to progress in any way. It's nature is to reduce its victims to medieval bondage.

We can argue "islamic achievements" until the goats come home. Perhaps a good objective measure of muslim contribution to mankind would be the Nobel prize, as liberal an award as there is. No, I'm not even suggesting you are liberal. But the world views the prize as a benchmark for recognition, biased or not.

Out of a population of 1.4 billion, or 20% of the planet, 7 muslims have been awarded the prize. And I'm being generous here and counting the Kenyan interloper in that number. And one of that number was a terrorist. Contrast that puny, no embarrassing number with those that muslims call apes and pigs - the Jews. The Jews comprise less than 2/10s of one percent of the world's population, yet 165 Jews have been awarded the prize. We're only about 4.6% of the population yet we've been awarded 39% of the total and 47% in the areas of sciences, medicine, and economics. muslims haven't done @#$% and no amount of wanting for them changes that fact.

I say all that to say this. These contrasting achievements may result from many factors. But one factor we share with the Jew is freedom. We are not bound by a medieval mafia that demands one thing - submission. Yet.

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Proof? Other than a book that is as much of an opinion piece as all the "9/11 was an inside job" articles, books and documentaries are?
Have you read that book? If you have, your comment surprises me. If you haven't, you should reserve judgment. It was written by a local TV reporter. "The story" didn't pass the smell test. She continued to investigate. The facts as they were recorded are the facts. The story we were told doesn't descend from the facts.

Its history at this point. No amount of discussion will alter "the story".

9/11 didn't pass my smell test on 9/11, 9/12, 9/13, or on any day thereafter. And the more they "explained", the more ridiculous they sounded. Nuther thread.
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"he who smelt it, dealt it"

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I'll respectfully disagree. I'm reading here about a lot of happenstance attributed to muslims by apologists for islam. In many of the examples the dates don't accommodate islamic involvement; in others trying to explain the achievement as islamic just isn't possible.

islam occurred relatively late to many established cultures. islam contributed nothing to the cultures. Rather, it has de-evolved every culture it has overtaken. Its nature isn't to explore, invent, improve or to progress in any way. It's nature is to reduce its victims to medieval bondage.

We can argue "islamic achievements" until the goats come home. Perhaps a good objective measure of muslim contribution to mankind would be the Nobel prize, as liberal an award as there is. No, I'm not even suggesting you are liberal. But the world views the prize as a benchmark for recognition, biased or not.

Out of a population of 1.4 billion, or 20% of the planet, 7 muslims have been awarded the prize. And I'm being generous here and counting the Kenyan interloper in that number. And one of that number was a terrorist. Contrast that puny, no embarrassing number with those that muslims call apes and pigs - the Jews. The Jews comprise less than 2/10s of one percent of the world's population, yet 165 Jews have been awarded the prize. We're only about 4.6% of the population yet we've been awarded 39% of the total and 47% in the areas of sciences, medicine, and economics. muslims haven't done @#$% and no amount of wanting for them changes that fact.

I say all that to say this. These contrasting achievements may result from many factors. But one factor we share with the Jew is freedom. We are not bound by a medieval mafia that demands one thing - submission. Yet.



Have you read that book? If you have, your comment surprises me. If you haven't, you should reserve judgment. It was written by a local TV reporter. "The story" didn't pass the smell test. She continued to investigate. The facts as they were recorded are the facts. The story we were told doesn't descend from the facts.

Its history at this point. No amount of discussion will alter "the story".

9/11 didn't pass my smell test on 9/11, 9/12, 9/13, or on any day thereafter. And the more they "explained", the more ridiculous they sounded. Nuther thread.
We're just going to have to disagree on this one I guess. I don't see any evidence to the contrary of what I'm stating, so I'm just going to continue to rely on the multiple sources that go into detail about the medical, scientific, mathematic, literary etc. etc. advancements that Muslims contributed to society over many centuries. I've really found nothing while searching to not back these statements up.

And no, I've never read the book you mentioned. She obviously goes by the Manila Theory though. She's not the only one to write and publish on it. Another theory that authors have written about and believe to be backed up by facts are The Elohim City Theory, which connects McVeigh to a white separatist group in OK and a crazy German guy.

Whoever is correct though, there's only one thing that's certain. McVeigh said "I blew it up" and then went to the chair without taking it back.
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When a report challenging our national security policy of ignoring Islamic supremacism through Islamic law was released during a Capitol Hill press conference on Wednesday (disclosure: I was one of the co-authors of the report, titled: “Shariah: The Threat to America”), among the chief critics were representatives from the Congressional Muslim Staffers Association (CMSA).

This group, which has been briefing both Democrat and Republican congressional leadership in recent months, claiming that there is nothing inherently violent in Islamic law, has a very poor history of embracing Islamic radicals — even al-Qaeda terrorists.

Immediately after 9/11, the CMSA began holding Friday afternoon prayer services on Capitol Hill. Who did they choose to lead them in their prayers? Al-Qaeda sheikh Anwar al-Awlaki, who is currently subject to a kill or capture order issued by President Obama. In fact, video of al-Awlaki preaching to the CMSA was included in the 2002 documentary, Muhammad: Legacy of a Prophet. (That video clip is available to view via the Investigative Project on Terrorism.)

Identified in that clip listening to the al-Qaeda cleric: Nihad Awad, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR); then-CAIR communications specialist Randall “Ismail” Royer, who is currently serving a 20-year federal prison sentence on terrorism charges; and CMSA founder and former president Jameel Alim Johnson.

Jameel Johnson is no stranger to PJM readers. In December 2007, I reported exclusively here on an Islamic conference on Capitol Hill that had been scheduled by Johnson, as chief of staff from Congressman Gregory Meeks. The conference was cancelled at the last minute by the House of Representatives sergeant-at-arms when it was discovered that it was to feature a long list of Islamic radicals, some of whom were known to be on the terror watch list.

So when the CMSA leadership whine to the media about anyone offering an alternative view to our failed foreign and domestic policy of submitting to Islamic radicalism, we must look at the record of CMSA as an organization, and its leadership as individuals. They have given radicals and terrorists, such as al-Awlaki, a voice on Capitol Hill.

This infiltration of our highest government institutions is not limited to the CMSA.

Read on...

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ne-strike.html

Of course we all know that Muslims extemists are less dangerous to Europeans than normal folk, right SCMom?
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Of course we all know that Muslims extemists are less dangerous to Europeans than normal folk, right SCMom?
I never said normal folk...but thanks for putting words in my mouth. (unless you want to consider rapists and murderers "normal folk"...then I agree with this statement)

I said domestic terrorists...and yes, they pose just as much, if not more, of a threat to Europeans as Muslim extremists do. I'm glad this attack was thwarted though. Good for them. Now if they could just do as good a job thwarting domestic terrorism, that'd be great too.
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You really don't see Islam as a looming threat to Europe? Wait 10 years, and sadly you'll have no choice but to see what appeasement and denial brings.
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I know you consider me an Islamaphobe or perhaps even a xenophobe, but it's funny I have no fear or concerns towards any other of the worlds religions? Look throughout the world and you see friction between Muslims and every other religion to a significant degree, I don't see that sort of friction between the other major religions excpet on a token scale. . Funny enough excpet for Islam I have no discernable prejudice whatsoever. I'm not sure how that happens to such an irrational person such as myself?
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You really don't see Islam as a looming threat to Europe? Wait 10 years, and sadly you'll have no choice but to see what appeasement and denial brings.

There's a lot of looming threats to the whole world (US and Europe included). Is Muslim extremism one of them? Yes. But I'm not about to start pointing fingers at every Muslim and say they are the problem. That would be like considering all Germans Nazi's or all Japanese (or Asian people for that matter) terrorists in their time. Just not gonna happen with me.

And while I feel that Muslims should definitely have a voice in Europe and America, you and others are correct in one thing, Europe has made a mistake in changing its laws to suit Muslims...but you can't blame Muslims for it. It's not their fault that the governments there have no spines. I'd never agree to "keeping a population in check" though. Just don't cede to it where national laws are concerned. Simple as that. If they want to live there, they can follow the laws of that nation. If the laws get changed because a Muslim group calls for it, then I guess said nation (its leaders anyway) must not have cared about them that much.

Sorry Zu, I'm not jumping on your fear bandwagon. I'll always fight for our nations laws (which have been warped more by our own politicians than by anyone else), but I'm not going to start hating a group of people because of extremists.
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I know you consider me an Islamaphobe or perhaps even a xenophobe, but it's funny I have no fear or concerns towards any other of the worlds religions? Look throughout the world and you see friction between Muslims and every other religion to a significant degree, I don't see that sort of friction between the other major religions excpet on a token scale. . Funny enough excpet for Islam I have no discernable prejudice whatsoever. I'm not sure how that happens to such an irrational person such as myself?
It's because you've allowed it to be ingrained into your head. You only look for murder and hate in that religion, so that's all that you'll find. I choose to look at things differently, and that's fine....nobody's going to change your opinion on that. Just like how many people think Catholics are nothing but hateful kiddie touchers who control the world through fear and money, or Jews control the world through Zionism, or Muslims are nothing but ragheads with bombs strapped to them. They are all semi-irrational thoughts. (I say semi b/c some of these things are true, but they are not true for the majority of those in said religion...it's just what is being spoon fed to you through the media).

Again, you can have your hate and fear, I won't fight you on it anymore. Don't expect me to eat up every single story about a Muslim terror plot and start hating everyone in the religion like that though. It's not gonna happen. We're never going to agree on any of this.
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