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Old 03-06-2006, 09:56 AM   #11
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Default Re: Labor Talks break off again sunday night

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Yeah well that's all nice and folksy, and blue collar. And it gives the Rooneys, and by extension you, that common touch, (you'll excuse me if I don't shed a tear for motherhood and apple pie) but it doesn't address the issue that the NFL has some bonehead owners who need to get their act straightened out and stop sucking off the common tit.
well atleast now youve heard where the rooneys stand on the issue. this is an easy topic to ride the fence on because both sides have favorable views. but,since im not a capologist or billion dollar business owner who understands all the workings of the matter i will have to side with the view of the rooneys as being the correct one. sure there are those bonehead owners (cinci and arizona have been working to be less boneheaded). once they get up and running like the better teams they will have more revenues to share. but perhaps them collectively sucking off the teat is better than the alternative where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. like suit has said, if jerry jones had his way the players would start looking like the driving billboards in nascar. without the revenue sharing we could see a team like minnesota moving every 5 years always thinking the grass is greener on the other side.

if the nfl wants to keep delivering the best product in sports it has to put its foot down and not allow these wal-mart style dot com business men to put the ma and pop grocery store owners out of business. after all dan snyder cant just buy a football team cause he wants one. he had to be voted in by the nfl and the rest of the owners. it stands to reason he will have to play by their rules.
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Old 03-06-2006, 04:12 PM   #12
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The fact is the steelers are NOT a big market team, its nothing against the team, its their market area, and Pittsburgh's is no where near a big market. It's just numbers.....Savarn explained it perfectly last week. It's primarily about advertising when determining the markets value. A 500 dollar radio advert in Pittsburgh is 5,000 dollars in NY or LA, etc......thats why those teams want more money in the sharing, because their markets demand it.
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Default Re: Labor Talks break off again sunday night

Breaking News: It was just reported on the local news (Channel 11) that the players and owners have reached an agreement but the owners have not stated an agreement has been reached.

Supposedly the cap is higher. No number was given.
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Default Re: Labor Talks break off again sunday night

Good news, I hope. When players and owners publicly squable over mega-bucks, it alienates the fans and hurts the sport, regardless. Baseball suffered, basketball suffered, and hockey may never recover.
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Default Re: Labor Talks break off again sunday night

Keep in mind John Fedko broke the story, he's tied with Paul Alexander as the biggest tool in local sports talk.
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Breaking News: It was just reported on the local news (Channel 11) that the players and owners have reached an agreement but the owners have not stated an agreement has been reached.

Supposedly the cap is higher. No number was given.
i think the number that the owners will be giving up is 59. something% gene upshaw said they wouldnt budge below 60% this would put the cap at about 104 mil. saw this on espn.
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There is not yet a deal - the deal Tagliabue and Upshaw have signed off on will be submitted to the owners on Tuesday.

There was no deal following the latest round of "it's done, it's not done" reports on Sunday. On Monday, it was clear the decision would come down to whether the owners would accept a revised revenue sharing, an issue for which they've been squabbling among themselves for more than two years.

The NFL will submit the union's latest request for about 60 percent of total revenues to the 32 owners and let them decide whether they will accept it, extending the agreement which runs out after the 2007 season.


Tagliabue can recommend approval, but he does not have a vote. If the 9 wealthiest teams hang together and vote against the new CBA, then Tags does not have the necessary 24 out of 32 votes. The proposal presumably includes a definition of what is "revenue" of which 60% will go to salaries. I do not believe whatever definition of revenue that is in the proposed CBA previously has been cleared with a 3/4 majority of the owners.

No indication of how the "cash over cap" issue (rich teams paying bigger bonuses in a 1 year lump sum and then amortizing it over several years to annually and significantly be over the cap amount in actual $$ paid in any one year) is handled.

I will be interested to see if some rich team owner like Robert Kraft or the owners of the Eagles or Browns says they are on board with the p[roposed deal prior to Tuesday's meeting.

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Default Re: Labor Talks break off again sunday night

it looks like the 59% deal was an act of good faith by gene upshaw that they are flexible and willing to negotiate and get something done whereas previously he stood the hard stance that the p.u. wouldnt accept anything below 60%. watch them meet in the middle at 58% zzzzzzzzzzz
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The % is red herring; it is what goes into the "revenue" pot out of which some % goes to the players that is the issue. Players want a bigger pot, but the question is whether each team should pay equally into the pot and how $$ get taken out of the pot.

Take the Cardinals and the Redskins. The Bidwells are widely regarded as the worst owners in football and pretty much limit their revenue to tickets from not selling out their stadium and the TV money. Danny Snyder is a jerk, but he has the Redskins revenues north of $300 million through a privately financed stadium, aggressive revenue enhancements, and developing new revenue streams. In addition, the Bidwells are legacy owners that paid very little to get a franchise when they started out as the Chicago Cardinals, whereas Snyder paid hundreds of millions (which he needed to finance and is still paying off) to buy the Redskins.

In terms of sharing "revenue," should both Bidwell & Snyder be required to throw everything into the revenue pot? The argument against the Bidwell argument of absolutely yes is that Bidwell is a leach who has done nothing to grow the value of his franchise and just wants to benefit from revenue streams developed by other owners. The argument against the Snyder argument of getting to keep revenue streams outside of tickets and TV rights is that the only reason Snyder could develop those streams is because he is part of a league of 32 teams that allows him to market access not just to the Redskins but to the NFL.

Combine that with the questions of whether a successful owner (Snyder) should be penalized for his success by not being able to pay a higher payroll through circumventing the cap with amortized salary bonuses (the cash over cap debate) against whether Bidwell should be rewarded by a hard cap that does not penalize him on the field for not being able to carry a bigger payroll with more talented players that the Redskin type teams can afford if unleashed from a hard cap.

In other words, how much inequality are you willing to stand to balance the collective good against the individual rewards for growing your business? The owners have been debating that for several years and I do not belive have yet worked it out.

Arguments can be made in support of both positions. I support more of the collective good, but that is not surprising since such a position enhances the competitive position of the small market Steelers.
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Excellent reporting by John Fedko. Once again, how does this guy hold his job?
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