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Old 03-09-2006, 08:45 AM   #21
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Default Re: Owners agree on CBA !! Labor peace restored !!

Based on what I have read on ESPN.com, the increased cap space and prorating of bonuses over 5 years under the new CBA is regarded as allowing teams like the Colts and Seahawks to bring back at least some of their big name FAs. However, I believe those teams, among others, have a different strategy than the Steelers do when it comes to retaining FAs.

IMO part of what may be going on is that "the Steelers Way" involves negotiating with starters prior to the last year of their contract and, if the player does not settle up with the Steelers, that player is gone. It forces the player and his agent to resolve negotiations while allowing the Steelers to plan longer term for anticipated departures. If someone can name a major player whom the Steelers have signed when they were eligible for FA I would appreciate hearing it.

Because I do not see that strategy ending, I see the increased cap space going to bring back non-starters like Haynes, second line players like Kimo, and (hopefully) future starters such as Keisel, although I bet Cleveland will overpay for Keisel.

ARE is gone and Hope is convinced someone will pay far more than the Steelers for his services. I will be very surprised if either one stays. ARE can be replaced but losing Hope creates a major hole in the D.
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Old 03-09-2006, 09:23 AM   #22
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I'm not stating they won a championship every year, but the more we avoid scenarios such as that, the better in my opinion. If they don't win a championship, they are in the playoffs and making a run while teams such as the Pirates consider finishing over .500 a huge accomplishment.

That's why I'm happy about this new deal and I would have to believe the majority of fans that are not based in DC, NY or Dallas are also. Oh well, deal is done and over with thankfully. Don't worry, I won't tell you to "wake up" or "get real", it's just my opinion....lol.
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Old 03-09-2006, 09:42 AM   #23
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Default Re: Owners agree on CBA !! Labor peace restored !!

This kind of reminds of "money is not everything", while that is true, tell that to somebody who is or was dirt poor.

Personally, I would rather have my ball team have a ton of money and not win a championship, than have no money and not win a championship.

I disagree with the Patriots comment. They won because of smart money decisions, smart management of players and a great coaching staff.

Eitherway, I like the cap.
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Vote was 30-2 with Bills and Bengals voting no. If the brain dead managements of those 2 franchises voted against it I will assume the deal makes sense.
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Apparently, Tagliabue's 3 hours speech worked.
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Old 03-09-2006, 10:59 AM   #26
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The high-priced teams aren't always in the playoffs, though. Look at baseball, where half of the top 10 in payroll missed the postseason entirely:

http://www.onestopbaseball.com/TeamPayroll.asp

Even if money was everything, the Steelers would be in great shape playing in a division with Cleveland, Cincinati and Baltimore. Those teams aren't going to outspend us, and we'd be in the playoffs all the time.

What, you don't think we could knock off higher-seeded teams in the playoffs? ... (pause) ... yeah, I guess this year really proved that, huh?

The Steelers will never be like the Pirates, even without a salary cap. Teams that make good decisions will always be right in the mix. In the worst case, the Steelers would be like the Oakland A's, only with a better chance of winning it all because of the shorter season.

Really, baseball has had more parity and more diversity in the Big Show than the NFL has. In football, it depends a lot on how you obey rigid, arbitrary financial rules, whch I don't really consider an essential part of the game. The Patriots' "dynasty" essentially happened because their accountants were the best at working the system. That's not how I want to determine the NFL champion. If anything, the Steelers this year, with all the young talent on their roster, should be an example of how smarts, not money, can win you a championship.
I see.

That is a new one - its now the 'accountants' who won 3 SB's for the Patriots was it?

Yet, playing under the same rules, the Steelers win was a victory for young talent and smarts?

Arbitrary rules governing the financial side of football exist - with or without a salary cap.

Teams such as Arizona are incapable of competing with teams such as Washington and Dallas in a completely free-market - that is a fact - the CBA helps even the playing field a little.

Its refreshing to see someone argue against the CBA - but all I have heard you say so far is how things would be same with or without a CBA - hardly the greatest argument in favor of uncapped years.

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They won because of smart money decisions, smart management of players and a great coaching staff.

Eitherway, I like the cap.
to illustrate this point further i got these figures from the reiss pieces patriots blog. i believe it is a list of the highest cap numbers from the team:

The team?s top salary cap figures are quarterback Tom Brady ($14.4 million), McGinest ($8.3 million), Richard Seymour ($7.4 million), Rosevelt Colvin ($5.7 million), Matt Light ($5.3 million), Corey Dillon ($4.3 million), Jarvis Green ($3.6 million), Mike Vrabel ($3.5 million), Rodney Harrison ($2.8 million), Tedy Bruschi ($2.7 million), Tyrone Poole ($2.5 million), Kevin Faulk ($2.5 million) and Ty Warren ($2.2 million).

the patriots were 4 mil under the $94.5 mil cap that was bumped up to $102 mil. plus they cut w. mcginest. this puts them right about $20 million under next years cap. re signing vinatieri will be no problem and they could even cut dillon and go out and get e james or j. lewis, and add t.o. to the mix and still have $$$ left over to sign some of their free agents on the cheap. if you look at the above figures there are alot of players that would be making more money if they were elsewhere (vrabel, bruschi, harrison- prime example and key building blocks)
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to illustrate this point further i got these figures from the reiss pieces patriots blog. i believe it is a list of the highest cap numbers from the team:

The team?s top salary cap figures are quarterback Tom Brady ($14.4 million), McGinest ($8.3 million), Richard Seymour ($7.4 million), Rosevelt Colvin ($5.7 million), Matt Light ($5.3 million), Corey Dillon ($4.3 million), Jarvis Green ($3.6 million), Mike Vrabel ($3.5 million), Rodney Harrison ($2.8 million), Tedy Bruschi ($2.7 million), Tyrone Poole ($2.5 million), Kevin Faulk ($2.5 million) and Ty Warren ($2.2 million).

the patriots were 4 mil under the $94.5 mil cap that was bumped up to $102 mil. plus they cut w. mcginest. this puts them right about $20 million under next years cap. re signing vinatieri will be no problem and they could even cut dillon and go out and get e james or j. lewis, and add t.o. to the mix and still have $$$ left over to sign some of their free agents on the cheap. if you look at the above figures there are alot of players that would be making more money if they were elsewhere (vrabel, bruschi, harrison- prime example and key building blocks)
Yep - those numbers are looking pretty healthy right now.

Its not often that the Pats have a huge surplus in cap room - they seem to judge it just right most years.

We have pretty much lost Givens to FA - he has done a great job for us over the last 4/5 years but I think we can certainly find an adequate replacement through the draft.

The odds of Vinatieri staying a Patriot have increased with the new CBA - I think this one could go either way.

I have a strong feeling McGinest will work out a new deal to stay a Patriot for the rest of his career - he is one the 'faces' of the Patriots CBA era Dynsaty.

Bruschi's cap numbers are quite amazing when you consider his worth to the team.

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looking at the pats numbers shows where they need to invest in some o-line depth. i think 5-6 steelers o - linemen would make that list as far as salary cap hit. (40 of the pats 53 man roster have less than a 2.2 milion cap hit) it also allowed us the freedom to let ross and vincent both go in the same year, and not drop to much in rush production and pass protection.
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