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Old 03-22-2006, 01:14 AM   #31
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I agree. They may get their next kicker the same way they got Vinatieri, draft him.
Yeah its probably the only way to go - unfortunately there is probably no way to actually draft any type of player (even a kicker) and know that he will be good in the clutch - its the kind of thing that you only find out when the big game is on the line.

Personally I think we were fortunate to have the best big game QB and Kicker in the same team for a decent period of time.

Its time to reload and restock......

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The Patriots didn't bother with swagger to start this NFL season; they went straight to defiant. Either you're one of them or you're about to get crushed.
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Old 03-22-2006, 03:08 AM   #32
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here's the perfect scenario.....patriots vs indy...at NE....the game is in O.T....patriots line up to attempt a 35 yarder....it's wide left for the new kicker......indy lines up for a 58 yard attempt.....vinatieri nails the 58 yarder and wins the game!!!!!!!!
I can see how that might be an attractive day dream for you - it may even save Steeler fans the nightmare propostion of the Pats coming into town for a playoff game again.

Reminds me of a dream I had the other day : Pittsburgh hosts the the New England Patriots in a playoff game with Pitt huge favorites to win - Pittsburgh get flattened 41-27...oh wait...that one really happened

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The Patriots didn't bother with swagger to start this NFL season; they went straight to defiant. Either you're one of them or you're about to get crushed.

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Old 03-22-2006, 03:28 AM   #33
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i hope that dream gets you threw next year. it may be the highlight of your season.
It will do - luckily I managed to get a copy of this dream on DVD.

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The Patriots didn't bother with swagger to start this NFL season; they went straight to defiant. Either you're one of them or you're about to get crushed.
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Old 03-22-2006, 06:53 AM   #34
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The Patriots are 20 mil under the cap, and still have the games best clutch QB = hahahahaha
Serious question for LITP and/or hardwork - what are the credible rumors regarding how the Pats intend to deploy the megamillions they have under the cap?

Do they have any major renegotiations coming up or is it anticipated they will make a move in the restricted FA market? They are still too good a team to sit on that pile of money.

As I have posted elsewhere, if Ike Taylor leaves this offseason I see New England as the likely destination.
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Old 03-22-2006, 07:50 AM   #35
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You don't need to subscribe to a magazine, or be from NE, to see what Vinatieri is.

Let me ask you Suit. If there are 15 seconds left on the clock, it's 18 degrees, the wind is blowing, you're at home, you're on your opponents 32 yard line, the score is 19 to 17 against you, you have to pick either AV or MV to make the kick for you, who do you pick?
I'd take Vinitari for that situation...but how many games are there like this? 1 in 30? 1 in 50?

I take the accurate kicker over the clutch 97 times out of 100.
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If Vinatari had been with the colts in the playoffs there is no doubt that we would have gone into overtime.........maybe lost the game......
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IF the refs knew what an interception was, that game probably would have been a blowout.

If "if's" and "maybe's" were tinsel and holly, it'd be Christmas every day
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Old 03-22-2006, 09:53 AM   #38
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Serious question for LITP and/or hardwork - what are the credible rumors regarding how the Pats intend to deploy the megamillions they have under the cap?

Do they have any major renegotiations coming up or is it anticipated they will make a move in the restricted FA market? They are still too good a team to sit on that pile of money.

As I have posted elsewhere, if Ike Taylor leaves this offseason I see New England as the likely destination.
I am not too sure whether this is a case of saving money for a big money move this offseason.

I think a large part of it is that New England will have viewed last season as a failure and are taking this opportunity to clear out alot of the older guys.

There is no doubt that Vinatieri, McGinest and Givens have all been key contributors over the successful run of the last 5 years but they all have some major negative points in regards to keeping them.

McGinest - The guy seems ageless but he is surely going to run out of steam in the next couple of years - which is why NE won't pay for a 3 year contract up front.

Givens - the market for 2nd receivers went through the ceiling due to the Colts deal for Reggie Wayne. NE have Deion Branch to re-sign for next year and any large increase in the No.2 receivers salary is bound to have a a large effect on what the No.1 will be looking for.

Vinatieri - The best kicker in the game, but showed signs that he may have reached the peak of his abilities - miss some kicks last year that we would normally expect him to make - Bronco's game for example.

There is only one big name who could be the recipient of some of this money - Richard Seymour.

It is widely rumored that he close to signing a deal that will 'blow the minds' of New England fans - whether this means good value or huge numbers I am not sure.

Every year NE looks like it has been left behind in FA, every year they pick up enough bodies to make a credible run at the big prize.

I dont think Ike taylor will be a Patriot anytime soon - it doesnt fit with the overall pattern of what NE does in FA.

However, whenever you think that you have the BB/ Scott Pioli m.o. locked down - they do something unexpected - pick up character issue players or O-linemen in the first round.

So, I guess you never really know.

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Vinatieri - The best kicker in the game, but showed signs that he may have reached the peak of his abilities - miss some kicks last year that we would normally expect him to make - Bronco's game for example.


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believe it or not kickers do miss kicks. wilkins and g. anderson are the only 2 to have a perfect season. so as great as he is (or was) hes not being resigned because of one choke against denver in the regular season? i think they have p. edinger coming in for a visit. atleast he has outside experience. but the pressure to live up to vinatieri, especially in clutch situations, is gonna be tough for any kicker to live up to, especially a rookie. vanderjact is the pats best option. they get the most accurate kicker in the game (clutch kicks isnt an official stat) and probably save half a mil to a mil / year. those frosted tips will look great in chilly foxboro.

damn i forgot vanderjagt had a perfect season too in 03

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I'd take Vinitari for that situation...but how many games are there like this? 1 in 30? 1 in 50?
But if you're Pittsburgh, Green Bay, NE, NY, Chicago, Buffalo, etc., that's what you're looking at in Dec./Jan.

Anyway, they're both good, and I'll miss Vinatieri.
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