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Old 11-15-2010, 03:06 PM   #1
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Thumbs down Things we need to face

Some of these points are in various threads, but not collectively.

It's time we face certain truths.

1.) The Steelers were overrated, period. They had an impressive
first 4 games without Ben and everyone assumed we'd only be
getting that much _better_ with Ben back. It didn't happen. Not
in reality. For whatever reason, this team has steadily got _less_
impressive each week Ben's been back. Injuries are part of it,
but not the whole picture. Individuals, such as Troy, look .....how
do I put it? Lackadaisical? Mistake-prone? We all feared the OL
was inferior, then we thought, "They don't look that bad" as the
season began, and now they look like slow rubbish.

2.) We can now officially end the "I would take Ben over any QB
out there" nonsense. I was among those who used to make that
claim, saying with our weak OL, no one was better for the Steelers
than Ben. Wrong. If you switched QBs on last night's team, Brady
would win with Pgh's roster vs. the Pats and Ben. Period. I am beyond
sick of seeing Ben dance around almost every single play. It's a nice
option to have when you need it, but tell me a QB isn't better when he
can go through 4 progressive reads and find the open man without
the need to dance around and perform miracles just to have a chance.
Ben is a winner, over all, obviously. But his antics are now old. For
whatever reason, he feels the need to dance in the pocket every play
instead of just quickly finding an open man and getting the ball there
in a timely fashion. Something tells me Brady would not need to dance
as much if he was QB of Pgh. He would find the open man and get
him the ball with accuracy.

3.) Our D is overrated. As teams learn to just throw short passes all day
you will see our D look like they did last night. Can't run on us? Fine.
Just dice us up with short passes. They had zero answers. Don't see
why they will in the future either.

4.) I guess we still need Hines. Without him in the game, our receivers
looked like pure dog shit.

5.) Unless we get some bodies back quick, fortune is just not on our side
this season, and you don't win any hardware unless you have some good
luck on your side.

6.) Reed is toast. Missing a chip shot? Do you realize if he made his
FGs we'd actually been in the game with a chance to win down the
stretch? We can't afford a crap kicker. No way.

7.) Brady and Belichick are serious dudes about winning football game.
Have you ever seen our guys show the passion that Brady displayed
on the sidelines? Dude has mad fuel to win. Ben? He was just chillin'
out - everything was cool.
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Old 11-15-2010, 03:09 PM   #2
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I think there is a bit of truth in all of your points but I objection to the final one where you try to criticize Ben for not being as animated as Brady on the sidelines. Trying to speculate that Ben was aloof or unconcerned or not passionate about the game simply because he wasn't animated and yelling is a mistake. Nobody can tell you what the man was thinking or trying to do. There is more than one way to lead the troops, not everyone is full of piss and eccentricity.
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Old 11-15-2010, 03:14 PM   #3
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I agree with everything you said. I remember when the season started. Back then, the team was fired up and Tomlin was fired up. I was stunned to see such an emotional Tomlin early on.

Last night I saw a defeated man. I saw a coach who looked lost, and an emotionless team that laid down and conceded defeat from the get-go.
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Old 11-15-2010, 03:20 PM   #4
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Old 11-15-2010, 03:23 PM   #5
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2. Brady would have been DEAD behind our line. He would NOT have been able to throw like he did, hell, he only got hit once all night. No fear about your OL getting you hurt = a confident QB.

We saw the opposite on our side last night, Ben fearing for his life every play until Bellycheat called off the 5 and 6 and 7 man rush. Then Ben was as good as Brady.

Not blaming the OL for everything, but they are hurt and it showed.
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Old 11-15-2010, 03:26 PM   #6
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Brady wouldn't fare well with the constant man coming free that happens almost every play against our oline. You put ben behind the pat's oline last night he wouldnt have to dance as much. Pure speculation, but brady was rarely harrassed, and ben had a guy coming off a stunt pretty much every down. The dancing I think was a result of his internal clock being set at 2 secs, not trusting your blind side can do that.

The pass rush has disappeared for whatever reason, and our corners can't cover. the new scheme that has troy playing conservatively and letting timmons roam free does not fare well for troy p. he looks uncomfortable back there. indecisive and lost at times. The loss of kiesel and smith are underrated, as there has been ZERO push from our dline since their absence. ziggy and eason are routinely getting blown up and there is not gaps for the lb's to shoot. teams have found a way to neutralize our pass rush at the point of attack.

was it just me or did anyone else scream repeatedly "take off the f'n hat you redneck!!" everytime they showed ben's picture. for christs sake looked like he just got done huntin' Hunters everywhere should be embarrassed
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Old 11-15-2010, 03:26 PM   #7
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I agree with almost everything you've said.

The one point i disagree on is that if Brady had to play behind our atrocious, pee wee league OL, he would have actually done WORSE than Ben.
Brady can't handle pressure at all. Anytime a team puts serious pressure on him and gets in his face, he totally sucks (see some Raven's games and the Super Bowl with the Giants for reference...). I'm not understanding why we didn't put the all-out blitz on him all night long.
Also, don't blame Ben for the NO-passion, no fury and fire on the sidelines. That's on Tomlin. He should have showed a fire instead of standing there looking like a dead body standing up.
The rest of the leaders....Farrior, Foote, Polamalu, Heath, etc all looked like human wax figures on the sidelines. Zero emotion.
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Somebody on this team needs to show emotion. As a long time Steeler fan I was even getting fired up when I saw Brady on the sidelines. Until this team shows that kind of Emotion they will be mediocre at best. They think because they are the Pittsburgh Steelers teams will fear them, sorry to say but that motivates other teams. This team needs to get that blue collar atitude back that it was founded on and go out and get pissed and beat someone down. To let anyone come into your house and embarrass you like the Patriots did is inexcusable.
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I think there is a bit of truth in all of your points but I objection to the final one where you try to criticize Ben for not being as animated as Brady on the sidelines. Trying to speculate that Ben was aloof or unconcerned or not passionate about the game simply because he wasn't animated and yelling is a mistake. Nobody can tell you what the man was thinking or trying to do. There is more than one way to lead the troops, not everyone is full of piss and eccentricity.
Honestly I could give 2 sh*ts what Ben was thinking deep inside or what he was trying to do. Bottom line is he didn't do sh*t when it counted and never showed or communicated any motivation to his offense. Brady did and that's the big difference.
I'll take his attitude and his numbers any day over Ben's.
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Old 11-15-2010, 03:45 PM   #10
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Well stated Thumper. This was a complete "team" loss. I blame the players because after all, they have to perform, they have to explain to the coaches exactly what they see and make suggestions that will help gain momentum. I blame the coaching staff because it is their responsibility to make adjustments and put the players in the best position. Did anyone pull the receivers aside and explain not to overlook the blitzes and break off routes when necessary? Did our coaches realize that Ben was being blitzed all night and begin putting in shorter routes / slants? Did Lebeau realize that his cover DB's were nothing of the sort and during the 4th qtr after not stopping NE all night, throw caution to the wind and start blitzing Brady. If anything we hit him hard enough so next week he feels Pittsburgh. We did none of this so we are right where we belong. 6-3 and in 2nd place.

2 things happen from here. We replay 2009 and end up missing the playoffs or we go 1 and done. Or we learn from this and Tomlin truly has 2 coordinators that learned from this mistake and we end up going 12-4.

It wasn't the Offense or the Defense. It was the Team who lost this one. Even sir Jeff Shank a lot
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